Amateur Fuseki 2
- : Klaus: tenuki is always an option.
As I feel that is not a severe attack, I will treat the upper right stone lightly, trying to build up a moyo of my own.
PurpleHaze: If you feel that is the move here then you should have played at . Just because is bad does not mean it can be ignored.
Leaving white with very bad aji around a.
Klaus: Something else: Tenuki must be o.k. here, because even after , and black can still attach at in order to ensure a small base. In my opinion, black is doing fine, as long as he can find valuable points on the rest of the board! This sure is a matter of taste, but maybe not a mistake.
- : starline: I guess this is just an attempt to put some pressure on d15, but you will probably tell me it is wrong ,-).
What do you mean when you say "treat the upper right stone lightly, trying to build a moyo of my own"?
In my opinion, d12 was a very good move !
starline: Could you explain some more the reasoning behind your last move? () It looks strong for me, as it seems that any attempt I make to form territory on that side of the board (or even invasion) is going to be very hard for me now. Would that mean that g16 was a mistake, and I should have played on the right side of the board instead.
I am never sure when it is best to invade, or when I should be building, or the reasons why it is better to do one or the other (and under what circumstances).
Klaus: Well you could have played at a instead of . Another idea for was attaching at b, play a usual joseki, end in sente AND then play at a. I would have tried that. Something about my right side: This is an attacking formation. As you rightly mentioned, any white group will find it hard to make a base here, without being confined to a corner. Black will later allow one white invading group to live or escape and try to cash in some points by chasing it. (See san-ren-sei)
- : starline: My reasoning here is that I am strongest on the top left, so I should use this to attack the top right.
In real life I probably would have impulsively made a pincer move at c (especially in a real time game) I tend to have the mentality: 'if it moves, attack it!'
Klaus: A distant pincer might have been nice here, but I prefer d over c. Why? Well, black has a framework on the right, so I would want to make sure that white gets an access to the center here, but I am playing too high anyway...
starline: What do you mean when you say you are playing too high?
Klaus: I tend to prefer the 5the line over the third. I like Influence instead of points.
starline: I am ashamed to report that I have never studied any joseki. If that is the case, am I attempting to run before I can walk by trying to learn general fuseki strategy?
Klaus: There is a proverb which says: Studying joseki makes you 2 stones weaker.
In my opinion you are doing the right thing by starting with fuseki. You must know what you need in a corner globally, before getting too much involved in lokal sequences.
HolIgor: We are all different. I have not studied any fuseki yet. I've just begun to look at the ideas in the pro games I try to comment upon. I know some basic joseki and usually rely on my common sense in case of deviations. I believe I am better in tesuji and life and death, though there is a room for improvement there too. This does not mean that my fuseki is awful. Simply, I've never made any study there.
unkx80: The positioning of is a bit odd. Why not exert more pressure with e?
unkx80: I guess the move that really needs commenting is . I would like to ask, what is the purpose of , and where is the focal point when is played.
Bill: doesn't look so bad to me, as long as White does not make the exchange, - , first.
starline: Maybe if earlier I'd played at then a move around would have been more effective? Also, I played because I thought that if black played around there, he would have too much stronghold in the lower and right side. Where would have been a better move for ?