This is the list of teaching games given in the KGS Teaching Ladder. There were 219 games recorded on this page during April. WuQingYuan, with 51 games, lead the challenge and will receive 5 teaching sessions during the coming months from Vegetarian.
For May the player who records the most teaching games will again receive a number of teaching sessions with Vegetarian (5d) according to the following (see the disclaimer at the bottom of the page) :
The only further condition is that the total number of games recorded must exceed April's total by at least 50, which means that 269 games must be recorded
If you wish to be a teacher please add your details here and update the counter below (teachers are listed according to rank). You should give your KGS handle (with a link to your SL page if you have one), rank and optional comments. When you play a game add the result and update the game counter given on the next line. You should also provide a link to the game in the KGS archives. Any of the existing entries can be used as a template. Please do not include any games where the student is less than 3 stones weaker than the teacher - those are not of as much value.
The May challenge failed to come even remotely close to producing the number of games which resulted from the April challenge. There will therefore be no June rewards for the leader of any challenge.
Number of teachers listed: 45
Total games for May: 92
This is just a list of games. There is no contest per se. There is the added bonus that I (Vegetarian) will offer some teaching games to the person who does the most teaching - if they want it. But this page is primarily a record of games which were played in the KGS Teaching Ladder together with links to those games so that others my look over them and gain from them. Sort of like a KGS online version of GTL. At the end of the month all games listed will be moved to the KGS Teaching Ladder / Archives.
__ Alex Weldon (2d CGA/1k KGS)
Algar? (2-3kyu KGS, 1 dan Canadian)
Aruu (5kyu on Aruu, 3kyu on Yashiro, 1kyu AGA)
puripuri (KGS 2-4k) Teaching from 30 kyu to around 10 kyu.
BramGo or WuQingyuan (6k-4k)
marwin (7K KGS)
ivoSF1 aka ivoSF? (7K KGS)
check the link for i might use both acounts
All7Fever (EGF 6kyu)
Pempu (KGS 7k)
Drimgere (KGS 8k)
Carey (KGS 8k)
GralAnibal (KGS 9k)
kristall (KGS 9k)
Wolfy (KGS 10k)
Fwiffo (KGS 9k)
Etrynus (KGS 8k)
Norritt (KGS 3k)
Xris (KGS 12k)
ahia (KGS 14k)
ChadMiller, chadmill ~15k, guessing
I teach 30k---20k.
Deathwish, around 1k-1d
willing to teach 30k---25k.
Ghet (KGS 12k)
will teach anyone 20 -> 30k, in english or french.
I will teach some beginners (<25k), in English and Dutch. Just ask via chat if I have time
This teaching offer is only open to people who offer genuine teaching games. It has been noted that some of the games listed were not really teaching games - merely T games by people trying to run up the numbers. This is both unfair to others and bad sportsmanship. Before lessons are offered by Vegetarian he will look at the games of the winner to validate whether they are genuine or not. Anyone found to be abusing the offer will not receive the benefit of it in this or any future month.
There are lots of questions begin asked about this offer. The idea is to promote teaching. The KGS Teaching Ladder is run on an honor system. If you are honorable about your teaching intentions then you deserve recognition for them. If you are teaching someone merely to get a reward then I would question whether your intentions are honorable. All games in which enough teaching is done to justify the claim that it actually is a teaching game should count. Board size is irrelevant, declared game type is irrelevant, everything is irrelevant except your intention and desire to teach someone else. The bottom line, however, is that if Vegetarian is willing to teach then he has to be happy that the person he is teaching is deserving of the effort.
Are reviews /lectures considered teaching?
Do lessons in other rooms count?
Reuven - Well I don't know about you, but lately I'm starting to think that too long reviews aren't too helpfull either.. My reviews can take 1min if i'm just saying something after a 9x9 to a couple of hours if teaching/explainning/ studying of ld or soemthing is involved... Hard to say what's the right thing...
Fwiffo: Should we pick a standard format for how games/teachers should be listed for the sake of clarity and conformity? Looks like everybody's picked something just a bit different.
Drimgere: I dunno, seems pretty simple to understand, for now at least, maybe eventually if people want they can have these games on their own pages and this page will just be to hold the links?
puripuri: Yesterday I poked around for a little discussion in the KGS room... And now I'd like to ask here too. Should the quality requirements for games posted in this game list be set a little higher? Many that I checked, including my own, aren't something I'd really, _really_ want to present in my name... I understand this way of posting, if the point is only to inform how many teaching games person A or B has done in the past, and how many of those qualify for the hunt to the grand prize.
It's exactly because of the grand prize that I started to ponder this over. What if this page would be made to serve the students instead of the teachers? This would include two things... Firstly, to clean the irrelevant chatter that might be amongst the studying, and useless undoed game lines from the SGF. Also the the main variation should be placed on the top (Use the Up/Down buttons in Editing Tools), with the useful and informative variations in their correct places. Secondly, posting exact information about each entry here, like the name of players (nothing new there), time used, rules/handi/etc, result, filesize of the SGF, and any special concepts that got studied in deeper detail during the game.
As it is now, there is no interest in downloading these game recordings, because they are completely unmoderated with for example the chaotic flows of discussion going back and forth through the games. I'm quite sure there would be great interest for well formatted and coherently proceeding teaching game recordings. If the teachers here really want the grand prize, couldn't more be asked from the entries? I leave answering this to DrStraw, since they're his lessons... And as a personal disclaimer: I'm not exactly looking for a change to things, especially to a system this fresh and young. It'll get formed anyways as time passes. For now I'm just interested in what people think about these ideas.
Reuven - Well, I thought you had in mind much longer reviews, Dr ^^* - As for the quality and arrangment... I try my best when I teach and I'm sure that most if not all do the same. However making a review watchable wouldn't be too good, because a review needs to be interactive, anwsering qs and shownig variations..
Drimgere-while I am all for higher teaching standards, I find it a lot to ask to format all the games, I have quite a few up, and they were pretty detailed, going back and formatting them would take me at least an hour....I think formatting would be a good idea for lecture type teaching games such as Xopods'.
puripuri: And I don't find cleaning an SGF to be too great of a problem. In many cases there wouldn't be much to do, which kind of makes the idea useless too. Also the interactivity of the recording doesn't change, since they'd be just recordings in any case. And then, nothing of this all should be locked and carved in stone, or taken as being so, since all of these are just random suggestions so far... There are many possible options that come up in mind, like for example asking the people to reformat only the games they want to enter to the hunt for the grand prize. Or sacking the whole idea.
archer42 Well not sure this belongs here but I will teach 4x4 although everyone who has played it 4 times figures it out I guess there just needs to be someone to teach it. Contact me when I'm on.