BQM 321

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kb: I saw this in a game today on KGS. I thought it was a good strategy by Black, and I didn't quite know how to counter it. I held White. (By the way, I don't know much fuseki strategies against Sanrensei because I haven't played many people who use it effectively. Heads-up thinking on my part has usually kept their framework in check.)

Normal opening  

Grand strategy?  

What to do against B4? --kb

I didn't want Black to play the All-Stars opening, so I approached the open corner.

HermanHiddema: B4 is a bad move. It is much too slow. I don't like 3 either. I would have entered the corner at a. Then if black plays b, it is inconsistent with his earlier stones, he is blocking the wrong side. But if black plays c, his stones at B2 ends up in a strange position. After B4, white could invade at d, e or f.

Bill: I like g. It expands White's moyo while reducing Black's potential and threatens an invasion on the left side.

Bill: Earlier, I also do not like W3. It invites a Black play at i. The keima is better, like the proverb says. Before that, I do not like W1. The high approach at h contests the game plan of the yonrensei.

Bill: BTW, are W2 and W4 mukai komoku? If so, I think that W6 is awkwardly placed.

Charles Usually W6 would be classed as slow: even when White has played a 4-4 point and makes a Chinese on the side, it is considered a bit relaxed. White hasn't enclosed a corner. So W6 as an approach is more orthodox, and probably easier.

Normal opening  
Variant (a la Shuko)  

Here B4 is something like a line commended by Fujisawa Hideyuki in a book. The idea is to fight if White now cuts.

kb: I had looked at other amateur material on Sensei's about playing against the Sanrensei - someone stating somewhere (I cannot find the page) that opposing 小目 points were good at playing against the Sanrensei.

Charles You were thinking of the so-called Showa fuseki. This is of course not bad in itself. It has the flavour of the early days of komi go.

I didn't remember the rest of the fuseki theory though. Although in hindsight I see that playing low towards the opponent's formation makes the right and left sides uninteresting so I should probably think of a more novel approach move for W6. Any suggestions?

Black plays on the bottom side  

Bill: As Charles indicates, the original W6 is slow (aside from its relation to W2 and W4). The approach, W6 here, is normal. If B7, Black is perhaps a bit overconcentrated on the bottom side, and W8 is good.

Light reply  

Bill: A White response to B1 at a would be heavy, inviting an attack at b. Instead, White can play kikashi with W2 - B5, and then extend lightly to W6.

Low and slow  

Bill: While joseki, W8 is probably too low and too slow. Takemiya played B9 as a refutation.


Bill: W8 is fine, here. Note its relation to W2.

Weakness of the star point  

Bill: W2 does not work so well with white+circle on the star point. Black can continue with B3 - B5, and White does not get very much on the right side. (Based on Go Seigen's commentary in 21st Century Go, as is the next diagram.)


Bill: If W3 invades the corner, Black can expand his moyo with B4 - B8, but then White's invasion with W9 is good. (Note that W9 is not so good when Black already has a stone at a. That's a major reason why I do not like W1 against the yonrensei.)

Expansion before invasion  

kb: What about this W1 before invading at a? If Black doesn't follow up at b, white can also extend to c.

Bill: IMO, W1 is OK, too. Particularly since Black may well respond at or around d. But afterwards, I would generally prefer the invasion at a to the approach at c, which gives Black the opportunity to solidify his bottom side framework. Still, if you are going to play W1, I think it would probably be better to do so before the invasion at white+circle. It is Black's build-up of thickness in response to that invasion that makes the invasion at a urgent.

BQM 321 last edited by Dieter on July 5, 2008 - 12:48
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