BQM 274

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The invasion  

[10] How to handle W1 ?

Probe discusses a White move at a.

Kogeima Shimari discusses a White move at b.

The invasion  

In Keshi and Uchikomi: A Study of Reduction and Invasion in Go, Iwamoto Kaoru, says "In this position an invasion is called for, and the most likely point is W1 here... Against W1, the best reply is B2 here. This aims at consolidating the corner, attacking White, and moving towards the center all at the same time. The best White can do is to make a diagonal move as well; all other replies are clumsy and cause trouble..." (Notice white+square although this seems not to come into play in most of the possible lines discussed.)


LaTomate: white+square here is important, since it threatens a white connexion at W1 in this diagram. Black plays the diagonal play to prevent that connexion. If black simply played the one-point jump towards the centre, the connextion at W1 would still be open. Also, after black plays diagonal play, white+square will probably be pretty handy in the ensuing fight. Thus the white+square stone makes the invasion easier.

Move c

attempt (c) to seal in (1)  

tderz: [20] White's W1 is not so lousy insofar as Black cannot really block it. There are diagrams of this sequence on senseis, but right now I cannot find it.

AJP: I believe that Ishida Akira covers this first sequence in Attack and Defense.

attempt (c) to seal in (2)  

tderz: [30] Because of the cutting aji a-f , White can escape with W3 ...

Alex: Sure, White escapes, but with bad aji, no eyes, and giving Black at least as much profit as she destroyed with the invasion. I still say the invasion is lousy.

attempt (c) to seal in (3)  

tderz: [40] B4 becomes only interesting as to when White wants to make an empty triangle, but eventually, she cannot be stopped getting out.

attempt (c) to seal in (3)  

tderz: [50] What I mean is ... W5 could be countered by B6, seemingly threatening both cutting points a and b.
However, White can play a first, threatening to live in the corner by pushing at c (expecting black d, then capturing with White e).
(I find ) things are complicated, because Black could also retreat with e (instead of d) or, if, having played Bd - We, then trying to steal the eye with f.

attempt (c) to seal in (3a)  

tderz: [60]

attempt (c) to seal in (3ai)  

tderz: [70] B2 is interesting, as White cannot extend at B4 , but after the exchange W3-B5 there rests only a ko at a? Wrong! Of course White could extend at B4 above, as there were cutting points and 4 liberties.

attempt (c) to seal in (3aii)  

tderz: [80] White would live and the result has to be evaluated in the context of the game.

attempt (c) to seal in (3b)  

tderz: [90] cutting points m, n

attempt (c) to seal in (3bi)  

tderz: [100] cutting points m, n

attempt (c) to seal in (3c)  

tderz: [110] B2, keima is a normal follow-up attacking technique, don't decide immedeately where to cut, leave the problems to White.

attempt (c) to seal in (3ci)  

tderz: [120] White has to throw in some cutting stones, feed Black.
W7, here is the empty triangle, but White is out.

attempt (c) to seal in  

tderz: [130] this W3 looks too bad to me, hane B4 is too strong, perhaps in special circumstances...

AJP: again, from Attack and Defense, possible is for white to make a small life in gote by playing the circle points and drawing back from each, but W3 at a is much more promising.

Can you give the whole-board position? The situation on the left side would seem to be of particular importance.

Alex: W1 is a lousy enough move that almost anything would be good enough to punish it. The kosumi at c is likely to kill it outright, but you could also just take a relaxed attitude and extend to d... then you're happily settled with territory on both sides and White, even if he jumps out, still has a weak group and nothing to show for it. Your profit in chasing his stones may be more than you'd get from killing with c, since c leaves aji.

dnerra: Alex, I think this kind of statement is non-sense unless it refers to a specific whole board position. With the backup of white+circle in diagram 20, W1 can be quite effective in case White is strong enough so that getting any weak group would be a worry for Black there. The kosumi doesn't work as well as one would like due to the weaknesses of the keima.

One Whole Board Position  
  • Hicham:White seems to have lost allready. Black only has to steer away from complicated fights. So I would follow Alex suggestion and just calmly extend. This also reduces White's wall as well.

Alex: I'm not so sure White has "lost already." Look at the lower right corner again. I do agree that the extension to a is correct here, and probably bigger than b, but White should probably leave her lone stone alone for now (as tderz points out above, it can't be captured cleanly in one move) and kill the corner with b. Looks like a game to me.

kokiri - does b really kill the corner? Looks to me like the sequence to g gives life, but i'm looking quickly so maybe i'm missing something...

Velobici: In trying to understand how to handle the move at W1, I found this board position at GoBase. W1 was played, as move 130, by Kobayashi Koichi on 14 April 1971 against Cho Hunhyun. 70 moves later, Black won by resignation.

Another Whole Board Position  

Alex: This situation is entirely different, because Black has a lot of power nearby and White does not have space to make the two-space extension I mention above. B1 here is not a territorial invasion but an attacking one. Connection should be White's priority, to which end I recommend a. If Black follows the standard sequence, White will connect over the top and build thickness to counterattack the four Black stones.

BQM 274 last edited by Dieter on July 5, 2008 - 12:48
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