3-4 point distant high approach, tenuki, inside contact

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Table of contents Table of diagrams
Inside [Attachment]
Low hane
Inside hane (joseki)
Atari a - var 1
Atari a - var 2
Atari a - var 3
Atari a - var 4
Atari b - var 1
Atari b - var 2
Atari b - var 2
Atari c - var 1
Atari c - var 1
Fourth atari - var 1
Fourth atari - var 2
Extension c - var 1
Extension c - var 2
Extension c - var 3
Extension d - joseki
Extension d - joseki (cont.)
Extension d - var 1
Extension d - var 2
Extension d - var 3
Noseki
Noseki
Noseki
Tricked ?
Tricked - continued ?
The other side
Second Tenuki

This page is the reflection of SL people effort, no discussion of published material

Dieter: After a search on Gobase, I realize one can't speak of joseki here. The variations are just too much.

Charles Matthews Brave guy! I think there are some unexplored joseki out there. I have heard tell of a Yasunaga Hajime variation that may be poorly documented.

[Diagram]
Inside Attachment  

a [1], b [2] or tenuki [3]


Low hane

[Diagram]
Low hane  

[1] In this peaceful variation, the corner temperature rapidly cools down.

Bill: And white+circle is more efficiently placed than on takamoku (b). This is better for White than the corresponding takamoku joseki.

Now a will soon become very big, both making and denying a base.

Bill: I doubt it. (That comment was made before I added W4. But if Black wants to attack if White omits W4, a is not the place to play.)


Inside hane

[Diagram]
Inside hane (joseki)  

[2] a, b, c or d are considered joseki. The move at e is interesting but bad for Black, usually.

First atari

[Diagram]
Atari a - var 1  
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Atari a - var 2  
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Atari a - var 3  
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Atari a - var 4  


Second atari

[Diagram]
Atari b - var 1  
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Atari b - var 2  
[Diagram]
Atari b - var 2  


Third atari

[Diagram]
Atari c - var 1  
[Diagram]
Atari c - var 1  


Fourth atari

[Diagram]
Fourth atari - var 1  

White can probably play a little sharper now than a

[Diagram]
Fourth atari - var 2  


First extension

[Diagram]
Extension c - var 1  
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Extension c - var 2  
[Diagram]
Extension c - var 3  


Second extension

[Diagram]
Extension d - joseki  
[Diagram]
Extension d - joseki (cont.)  
[Diagram]
Extension d - var 1  
[Diagram]
Extension d - var 2  

11 @ a

[Diagram]
Extension d - var 3  


Third extension

[Diagram]
Noseki  

To B1, W2 is the best reply (IMO, please confirm). The corner is big.

[Diagram]
Noseki  

This B3 is unplayable. White will get enormous thickness and influence in all directions :

[Diagram]
Noseki  
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Tricked ?  

If W2 here, B gets the corner and sente. It looks as if White is tricked.

[Diagram]
Tricked - continued ?  

Dieter: What is not clear to me, is whether a is now too important for Black to play tenuki. This result somehow reminds of a result of the large avalanche but for Black having sente I think.

[Diagram]
The other side  

This way looks fairly equal. Should Black use his sente to play a ?

I disagree with 10. It isn't needed to defend the cut, since a geta will do.


Tenuki

[3] DaveSigaty: You mentioned a second tenuki by Black at the top but did not show any variations. It is actually Black's most frequent choice (per GoGoD, I didn't confirm on Gobase), so it should also be considered joseki, no ? :).

[Diagram]
Second Tenuki  

White most often plays 3 to which Black answers with a, b, or a third tenuki.


3-4 point distant high approach, tenuki, inside contact last edited by Dieter on November 26, 2008 - 14:23
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