# 3-3 point invasion query 1

Difficulty: Intermediate   Keywords: Joseki, Question

This question is now treated, using AI, at 44 point 33 invasion extension hane below

Trouble for White?

Scartol: I apologize if this seems like a facile question, but I'm starting to get into the 3-3 invasion, and I don't know what I'm doing.

Suppose Black plays the low hane instead of the high with . I assume , but what then? Can't Black come around with and slam into White's corner, possibly killing it?

Bill: I think that usually at is better.

Adamzero: For Black to make the hane at is unreasonable. It could lead to many possible results, three of which I've shown, and none of which are any good for Black.

White walks on the fourth line

The first diagram lets White make territory on the fourth line and leaves Black with tons of cutting points.

White lives with aji

The second diagram lets White live easily and get the aji of the clamp at a or, considering the strength of White's corner, the cut at b or the hane at c if Black responds to protect at d.

White lives with aji - variant

The third diagram leaves Black with even more cutting points, and Black cannot prevent White from using at least one of them, if desired.

White crawls on the second line

I think is an overplay. Can't Black cut with to punish it?

White lives with aji?

White [Do you mean Black here?] can play at , eliminating the cut at b in your diagram, and taking away the value of c. Black is now thick on the outside - I think this position is OK for Black. The clamp at a is a gote endgame move; if Black answers with d, White must then play e. This is only big if Black tries to make territory at the top.

Bill Spight: White can cut at d instead, and Black has no ladder. is better at b.
The same

This sequence is more or less the same as the last. Black should finish up with , leaving very little aji for White. Black is pretty thick again. However, this is not as good as the joseki variations covered earlier.

Joseki

Dieter 1d: In answer to , White can also counter hane and leave the capture at a for later. is to prevent the cut at b. After this joseki, White has peeps at c and/or d.

Bill: That is joseki?

Joseki? (2)

How about ? After - , Black has difficulties. Now a and b are miai for White to live in the corner.

Joseki? (3)

fills the ko.

After Black again has difficulties.

Not Joseki either

Dieter: You are right Bill, I was getting confused with this line of play.

DJ: I have changed the name of the diagram, which cannot really be considered Joseki, see 44Point33InvasionJosekiHaneInsideCut.

Bill: In response to a question by mAsterdam as to when the second line hane is correct, here is the only case I know. It is one joseki when Black makes a one-space pincer.

Joseki
According to Baduk TV 2 in the previous diagram is a slack move - White should punish Black as in the following diagram:
Possible continuation:
Best sequence for black is, but hane on the second line should be played only in special circumstances.

3-3 point invasion query 1 last edited by Dieter on May 22, 2023 - 16:02