P7A77: I'm currently 11k on KGS and just had a game where my opponent misread a ladder. Usually in such "oh, duh" moments you get a resignation, but the game continued, leaving me with the question that haunts us all: Where to play?
I ultimately decided to give myself some potential in the corner, stake out the bottom side, then claim my bounty with . I then got bolder, and after some preparatory moves jumped into the top side, using my surrounded stones on the left as aji. By this point I think my opponent was flustered, so I probably got away with more than I should have.
Obviously my strategy worked tremendously, but I can't be sure a lot wasn't psychological. Any suggestions for direction of play from the original position or tips on things to think about in such situations? I doubt this will ever be a factor in a game of mine ever again, but might as well be prepared.
Gul: On a sidenote. I think black needs to play one move in the right part. If both marked dame points are filled, is a nice tesuji
P7A77: This was the last area played, and I did look at how to get to , but I figured to pursue it at that point would have been rude, especially since Black was playing cautiously at this point and likely wouldn't have passed twice. It was certainly tempting!
Gul: Black certainly wouldn't have passed twice. He would play and just "lose" a point.
Alex: Yes, this is a commonly misunderstood point about etiquette and rules. Firstly, if the opponent doesn't defend inside his own territory where he should have to, once the dame are filled, he is getting (at least) one more point than he should, which can make a difference, though obviously not in this game. Secondly, in games played over the Internet or where there is a language barrier, filling the dame around a group that will eventually need reinforcement is a common way of signalling to the opponent that he needs to fill a point inside his territory and should not be considered rude. Over the board, I've seen people do it that way or verbally, or simply pointing the the point that needs to be filled.
kokiri: agreed, over the internet it can be tricky because time pressure can stop you from being able to explain your motives- i recently played a game in which i found a neat little throw in at the death of a game which, whilst the stones themselves got captured, forced my opponent to add a few stones within his territory as i played out the dame. my opponent clearly thought i was trying some unreasonable rip-off and didn't realise that it gained me a couple of points (i was ahead by a few, and this made the diff'ce between a win +4 or 5 to plus 7 or 8) so he then proceeded to throw-in in a few places, presumably trying to prove a point, then departed after the game finished & before i was able to make my point - i don't think he'll be in a hurry to play me again...
Alex: That's an even more extreme example, since semedori is something even many amateur shodans are unaware of. (looking at the semedori page, it appears I'm using the term incorrectly, but I don't know what the correct term is, or if there is one)
P7A77: Very true, it is another point. Perhaps I shouldn't let things like that slide, simply to keep myself in the habit of recognizing where there are points to be had. Since Black should have resigned much earlier, I felt it'd be salt in the wounds. Thinking about it now, over the board the dame would be filled before scoring. I should do that more online, if for nothing else to prevent myself from getting casual about protecting my own groups.
unkx80: Not just that. The Black stones in the middle has so bad aji that I think White a can capture at least a Black stone.
P7A77: Are you sure about that? I can't see any lines that guarantee a capture.
P7A77: Wow! Sorry for doubting. While I was playing, I had a feeling that cut could lead to something, but I couldn't see it. Very crafty! Would anyone mind if I put it up on goproblems (giving shout-outs to you fine folks, of course)?
unkx80: It is okay to question my claims. Afterall, deshis here already know that I have made a number of dubious claims that were subsequently refuted.
I have no problems for you putting this problem on goproblems.com. Be aware though, there are a number of correct variations for this problem that can capture something without ko, so please take care to cover all possible cases.
tderz: Sometimes it helps to connect immediately where one has to anyway....
IanDavis: There are so many options! How to find the best one? I suppose for me the top of the board is the most interesting place. White has pretty settled groups elsewhere and the top right corner is very open skirted. I would consider cutting at around tengen. Cutting at D looks artistic. Follow up at B or C?
P7A77: Ian, exactly! I know that this situation is 'supposed' to be good, but I was fearful of doing it wrong. A play at 'a' would allow me to just muck everything up. Bill (and Ian), I went to 'e' after the sequence I showed. My stubbornness didn't want to give up that huge bottom left, but the potential for loss up top is much greater, and 'e', while it worked out, was perhaps too greedy had Black decided to play 'd'.
Thanks for your ideas, folks. It was such a weird (for me) situation, I wasn't sure if I took full advantage.
dnerra: I also think that 'd' is a much bigger cut than 'e'. Capturing one of the single stones with 'a' isn't really that big until Black has no chance to close off the center territory anyway. But if you cut off the two stones right to 'd', Black has a problem (or loses a big corner).