Difficulty: Intermediate   Keywords: Joseki, Question
Not joseki, but why?  

W1 is joseki for every other pincer, but not when the marked high tight pincer is used. Why is this?

Maybe cut is good  

I'm guessing that it's because Black can push through and cut and get a better result with this than with other pincers, but I'm not sure. That's the question.

Charles If now White a, Black b, White c, Black d, White looks heavy. It seems, in contexts where White does play the press, White has some other way to fight after B4 in mind.

sometimes played  

In a couple of pro games, this W2 is played when the marked stone is already in place. Perhaps this helps.

Bad shape  

Bill: After W7 White has bad shape.

Compare this diagram with the next, which is joseki.


Anonymous: I am confused. Is this the intended diagram?

Bill: No, it is a comparison diagram. When Black has played the black+circle stone, instead of the high pincer, W1 is joseki.

Chris Hayashida: Michael Redmond discusses the W1 move in [ext] his commentary on the first game of the 1st Quzhou Lanke Cup Final, Game 1, between Shin Jinseo and Gu Zihao.. He says that it's more tactically complicated, and the variations cover a quarter of the board.

Michael Redmond's commentary  
One variation depending on ladder  
More complicated variation  

After B2, White can cover at a, jump at b, or cut at c.

Dieter: indeed, these variations are explored on josekipedia.

BQM184 last edited by Dieter on June 21, 2023 - 13:17
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