# RTG Problem 20 / Attempts

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Critical point?

Living is not so difficult. Can black do better?

unkx80: Unfortunately, this does not live. Think under the stones.

wait a minute. why doesn't this live? If white cuts 1 and 3 the snapback works. (black retains miai) Am I being dim?

unkx80: Sure the snapback works, but think further than the snapback itself. As the name "under the stones" imply, please consider what happens after the capture of the stones (in the sense the stones are physically removed from the board).

(Later) I actually forgot that I had this problem set as Snapback Problem 16. That should explain why.

Under the stones

After has captured the White stones in a snapback, prevents a second eye.

Black to play--this fails

a and b miai for killing.

not convinced?

Will this work, find it hard to read out the snapback

Bill: dies. fills at . No snapback. Ko.

MikeTerry: I can't see anything better than this for Black. White can try the same under the stones trick as in the first diagram, but then...

W tries to avoid Ko?

forces , and the extra white stone totally changes things. After Black throws in with at and the resulting snapback we get to the following position:

W to play

Note the extra space at a. Now when White plays back under the stones at b...

double Ko

Black lives with a double Ko. So White is unable to avoid fighting a Ko at some point in the sequence to kill.

Bill: Nice analysis, Mike. :-)

Simple life

But even after in the previous diagram Black is already alive, as a is protected.

Alive and well

In fact, Black is even alive in this position, after . If tries to take away Black's eye, captures because of damezumari.

MikeTerry: DOH! The perils of late night posting :)

RTG Problem 20 / Attempts last edited by 81.174.138.50 on May 8, 2004 - 20:16
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