BQM 348

Harleqin: I think that loses a point, because now the point above is sente for White.

LukeNine45: I think should be at if you're taking gote in the corner there anyway.

golearner: Yeah, I'm not sure there was any value to playing there - I thought that during the game right after doing it...

Harleqin: is unnecessary, losing a point in gote. Black should first play sente at 257, then 2 points gote at 256. is minus half a point in gote. Note that Black could only play here anyway, but now he gets it in sente. Instead, White should play 2 points gote at the left side (where move 253 went).

unkx80: Locally, should be played at White a, Black b, White at . I don't think Black dares to play at c because White d will turn it into a ko. Because after my sequence, Black must connect at d anyway, I will assess the loss of the actual to be 2 points.

Harleqin: loses a point, should first exchange for , then hane and connect. The rest are neutral points.

Harleqin: and are unnecessary, losing a point each. If you were playing by area scoring, then each pass loses a point for black, too.

Dave: I think the first question is whether is sente. If White plays away (e.g. ), what happens after - ?

golearner I've calculated the following - let me know how far off I am!

Black:               White:

AREA 1 (top line) - double gote

A, B, C              C, V, W, X, A

B+3                   W+1

Area worth 4/2 = 2

AREA 2 (left side) -double gote

D, E, F               F, Y, D

B+1                   W+1

Area worth 2/2 = 1

AREA 3 (bottom left) - two parts, first sente, second gote

Part 1 - sente:

G,H                       H,G

Area worth 0 points.

Z                           Z,b,a,d,c

0                           W+1

Area worth 1/2.

AREA 4 (line F) - sente/gote

I,J                         I

0                           W+1

Area worth 1/2?  How do you calculate the value when it's sente/gote?

AREA 5 (line L) - Same situation as AREA 4.

AREA 6 (line 6) - sente/gote

M,N                          N

Value = 0

AREA 7 (right edge) - gote/sente

O, P, Q, R, S             Q, e, O, S

B+1                           0

Value = 1/2?

Black:               White:

AREA 1 (top line) - double sente

A, B, C, protect     C, V, later Black has W, A

B+2                   W+2

Area worth 4.

Bill: a is technically White's sente, since it threatens Black's huge group. I think it is worth 9 7/9 points, but I'm not exactly sure. The main thing, as Dave and Harleqin show, is that at this point it is double sente.

b is a gote that gains 1 1/2 points. If White plays there Black will have to fill at z later, as Dieter points out.

Everything else is worth 1 point. c, d, and e are Black sente; f is ambiguous, sort of like White sente; g is a gote that gains 1 point (As unkx80 points out, if Wg Black must later protect around y.).

Bill: First, Black takes the double sente, and then takes his sente.

Dave: Bill, is sente in this situation? Is it possible for White to pick up a point by playing at a? White is 3 points better for having played a, but and d in sente give Black 2 points back. I am thinking of b and c as miai, but I am not sure whether I am correct overall.

Bill: White only gains 1 1/2 points by a gote at a, but gains 2 points by a reverse sente at . However, because of tedomari, I don't think it affects the result. See the alternate play diagrams below.

Bill: Next, Black gains 1 1/2 points with - . threatens , a 2 point sente. Black does not respond to , but plays to get the last play with . I think that puts Black 10 points ahead on the board.

Bill: White may ignore to take the largest gote with - . Then Black takes his sente.

Bill: Although technically the gote, in the previous diagram, which gains only 1 1/2 points, is smaller than the reverse sente at , which would have gained 2 points, White gets the 1/2 point back because Black gains only 1 point with in this diagram. The end result is the same as the suggested play. By comparison White gains 3 points on the left side but loses 2 points in the center and 1 point on the right side. (The swing points are marked.)

elsewhere

Bill: Earlier I said that White's atari at was sente. That means that - is gote. Here is a little about responding to .

(At this point in the game should be at , OC.) But in this situation I think that is the right response to , to avoid worse. (See Dave's diagram.) Earlier in the game the next diagram is normally correct, I think.

elsewhere.

Bill: This is the sequence I used to calculate the size of the play. It ends in gote with . (Later - is sente.)