Black just played the marked stone... What's whites best attempt at saving his marked group? (Enjoy!;) Reuven
Hence, Whites starts:
I see that a and b, are miai, the black corner has more fighting liberties than the 5 (now 4) white dame.
Continuing with a looks more promising:
(before screaming, look below [7]-[8])
It looks like a miscalculation for Wc, but could be used as
large scale attack on the black center group:
yet White can continue with or c and separate black's group.
Not a success for Black, got only some white stones , but center group is cut-off and weak; the lower edge has a bad endgame.
I think ,a is now futile because of b;
and starting with b does not work because of Bc, Wa, Bd and White has damezumari problems.
White e and f are also quite unrelated to the semeai below in this diagram.
at present dia. 1-3 look best, but comprise an error:
is answered by - and White has liberty problems.
Hence, one could try and leave out the liberty losing exchange - ind. [1]
Now White considers playing h or b in order to destroy the eye-shape of the black center group, but that makes no sense as Black can connect at a or play i (if White a).
Hence , now coming back safely to White g and capturing the is good enough.
After Black must find the right moment to play a or i or perhaps first in the center around m. Black a is big and honte and allows free play afterwards. (Hope I didn't make stupid mistakes here)
Black ends in sente and could make later a good endgame around x to z for capturing .
It is sente because White a, black r, white i does not attack much Black's center group (having the ko at k, an 1/2 eye at c and space around m).
Is this compromise the most likely outcome?
The shape among those is also very suited for playing .
(which is better? dia [11] or this [12]?).
Knowing that itself is not important helps in the decision to sacrifice it:
If now White is squeezed to , then Black is connected on top
but the are lost after (not a, because Black would lose 2 stones after white b and the ko at c would only help White).
Already seeing this shape -- tells us that White played inefficiently here.
White should look for better options.
Yet, similar to dias 5-6, White could try again to ,
but again would fail after white miai of a and b.
White could compromise with black via to .
This is a likely outcome. Both White and Black have connected their groups.
(if Wa, then Bb)
Black will lose territory in the endgame around the x-points
In dia [1] I state something about the corner having more fighting liberties, but after 2nd thought, it does not seem so straightforward:
After , , Black must prohibit all connecting options to the left and takes away a liberty with .
The have 4 liberties left, technically the corner can be killed easily (made nakade, common shape) by but in exactly how many moves?
Black has a 4-nakade with (5-3=2) 2 liberties + the ko evolving at a + sente. If we deduct 1 liberty for the sente from White's 4 liberties, we guess it's 3 vs. 3 liberties in ko.
... after some ko threat by White
but beware of the later ko at d, hence perhaps e see dia [24] ...
Black neglects the ko threat on the center group,
because cutting is Gote for White and Black can start a new ko with . White will have lost two fights and then perhaps the game.
See Dieter's variant below of this no-risk ko (dia. [24]) for black, starting with the descent at (perhaps more stylish) and some moves later, eventually resulting in .
Dieter: On the Long L-Group page, it is explained that the descent of can kill Black, if Black prevents the connection. Here, we indeed have to care about White's external liberties.
That's shocking news unkx80 :-) Tderz I should absorb your columns better.
starts a ko on the White group on a large scale. However, White seems to have a lot of internal threats. Still I think that Black may expect more of this than from the two move approach ko mentioned above.
Tderz: reply to Dieter's question 2: ko?
First, it seems to me now that Dieter's sagari is better technique (e.g. having a liberty more at a) than hane+connect, but I will check on this.
The ko does not seem so effective, because the have lost liberties and are therefore a source of many ko threats - if not more !:
After Black hardly wants to sacrifice the Black stone below .
Besides that any of the previous white moves - could/should have been used for ko at , a 2nd ko evolved, hence looking like double-ko.
Black can play c or d, I think it's similar.
... afterwards, astonishingly a and b seem to lead to the same (German "Zugumkehrung" = move inversion?) good result for white - notice that this seems better than just double ko. In first instance, I preferred a.
White could exchange for for separating (Black replies, after all it's big), then attack at . Black would not answer White a at b (the 3 stones are useless now), rather escape making eye-shape around = or further.
Are we ready for conclusion?
Is unkx's dia [28], the simple sagari making miai of killing the corner or connection the simple & best answer to this problem?
Rich: Ummm... doesn't that diagram show white one liberty short of survival?
Tderz: true, simple sagari [32],[33] or hane [16] are ruled out by unkx's [28],
so it's diagrams [12] leading to compromise [15] ?unkx80: I still haven't studied this in detail... but I think diagram [17] may be still possible? Diagram [28] did not rule out [17].
Compromise dia [15] leads to a bad endgame on the lower side for black. Knowing that white in all variations seems able to connect somehow - and that also the connection of the black center group is at stake - Black should try to get sente and/or a good endgame on the lower side.
White plays here to avoid dia [40].
Black finds this result un-attractive, and might even prefer diagrams [8] to [11], where Black loses 7 (about 16 points, but white could lose and black keeps the lower edge)), but in sente!
So, is dia [11] best for Black and therefore the fairest, most likely compromise?