BQM 323

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kb: On the 4-4 low approach, I recently saw this move W9. W9 is normally at a.

4-4 point low approach  

I then (thought) I had b as sente, but he didn't reply. How to take advantage?

Andrew Grant: I've never seen B8 in this position. When W plays W7 here B8 is usually played at c followed by W9 at a, and B10 either at b or d. After B8 in the diagram, W9 seems unnecessary, I'd prefer to play W9 at b.

4-4 point low approach  
4-4 point low approach  

I think you're getting confused with this joseki, perhaps.

Dieter: And why, Andrew?

Only move?  

Charles Surely, if White plays here, this W1 is the only good move?

Black has something to aim at, at p; but surely this is not yet good.

Bob McGuigan: In Joseki Genten, in the volume on starpoint joseki, Kajiwara gives this diagram as joseki in the case where Black has a stone (black+circle) on the star point on the left side:

Kajiwara joseki  

Kajiwara says that although W9 hurts Black on the left side, B8 takes an important point in the center and Black takes sente. But if Black wants to emphasize the left side B8 should be at a, White responds with b, and Black plays at the W9 point.

Charles I've found quite a number of pro games now. Essentially they all play the bend, or tenuki..


The pro games I have observed where 7 is played, 8 is thought to be the proper response. After white's response at 9 or where your opponent played, black has a choice between a and b. b seems to be common these days, and white will often cut immediately and there will be a fight.

The answer to your question is your decent is not sente.

4-4 point low approach  

BQM 323 last edited by Dieter on July 5, 2008 - 12:48
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