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ko in section "Hane, again " [#1760]

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utis: ko in section "Hane, again " (2009-03-13 13:04) [#5837]

utis: I fail to understand this, although I tried.

[Diagram]
Ko  

As I believed to have understood the rules, ko means that black is disallowed to recapture after W3.

[Diagram]
Ko  

Black, as I believe to understand it, is not allowed to play at the marked spot, but has to play elsewhere. White can then finish by playing at the marked spot.

So, ko would be a good thing for white, wouldn't it? As I believe to understand this, the method for white of 'pulling back and capturing two stones at once', described in this section, would just allow black to capture white's capturing stone immediately. Why is that a good thing?

What is it exactly that I am missing?


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HermanHiddema: Re: ko in section "Hane, again " (2009-03-13 13:20) [#5838]
[Diagram]
Ko  

Black is indeed not allowed to play the circle marked point, so black must play elsewhere. But in playing elsewhere, black can play a ko-threat to which white will have to respond, and after that black can play the circle point, taking back white's stone. And after taking back, black is threatening to capture the white+square stone. If black succeeds in capturing that one, he will connect his corner group with the black+circle stone and the group will live.

So the result is a ko fight.


Now compare the situation after capturing two stones:

[Diagram]
Ko  

In this situation, black can indeed immediately capture back one white stone by playing circle. But that move is pointless, because the corner (the black+circle stones) is dead, and will remain dead. Capturing back gives black no option of connecting out. So this way, black is simply dead, whereas the other way white runs the risk of losing the ko fight.


Now you may argue that losing the ko fight need not happen. No matter what black does, white can connect and finish the fight. But doing that will allow black to play two moves in a row elsewhere, potentially making a large profit. In the second diagram, black does not get two moves elsewhere...

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utis: Re: ko in section "Hane, again " (2009-03-13 14:04) [#5839]

Thank you very much. That helped a quit a bit, I think. Especially what you wrote about black threatening to capture the white+square stone in variant #1. It seems that, when working through this page, I did in general not pay enough attention to what black would want to achieve by its struggle.

 
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