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John F. My understanding of a whole-board joseki in the Oriental literature is of a joseki such as the avalanche that, in some variations, spills over the whole board. The examples referred to here are nothing more than model fusekis. By definition a joseki has to be a regularly played and fixed pattern. Since, with minor exceptions, no fuseki of any length has occurred twice, they cannot be joseki.
John, I think the idea is to expand the meaning of joseki as an English go term, not to keep to the traditional meaning.
John F. My understanding of a whole-board joseki in the Oriental literature is of a joseki such as the avalanche that, in some variations, spills over the whole board. The examples referred to here are nothing more than model fusekis. By definition a joseki has to be a regularly played and fixed pattern. Since, with minor exceptions, no fuseki of any length has occurred twice, they cannot be joseki.
==> The facts are...
1) There are many """established sequences in whole board size""" since 1990s (mostly from korea and china).
The most representative example is follow up of "mini chinese opening", which is still the most active research area in kor and china.
2) And they occur repeatedly and regularly by pros as a fixed pattern, being regarded an even position in whole board by pros.
It doesnt matter whatever you call these new trend.
(Anyway, these whole board size standard established sequences are often introduced In "joseki books" not in opening book for intermediate or advanced level players in korea)
you can call it "model opening" if you want. But Fact is,,they occurs in pro's real games repeatedly.
And Pro commentors expect players will follow one of established sequences (typically, in mini chinese opening).
when one of players doesnt follow a standard one, it is called a "new move" and become topic of research and examination by other pros instantly. (just as new local joseki move become a subject of pro's reserach and examination, when pro tries something new move in local var)
It seems that this is precisely what happens. Fuseki of considerable length are repeated and thoroughly investigated. At some point, a pro comes with a new move, so the commentators then have something spectacular to talk about. Not new in the local context, but globally.