Dieter: Up to , Black lives.
sure is a surprising move. It can be found when desperately looking for a way to make
sente.
Tapir: Can't Black choose to start with (then
,
,
and now
) to avoid ko? What is the status of the center white group after Black lives on the edge?
hhw: Seems to me that if Black starts with ,
, and
. White will play the next move where
is, and Black is caught.
Herman: No, in that case black will cut at and capture 5 white stones. But if black plays
-
-
-
and then
, white will answer at
.
xela: Isn't it an approach ko?
Bill: Yes, but the approach move is
in the previous diagram. ;) If Black omits
in this diagram, White can simply fill a Black liberty -- no ko.
Dieter: Huh? Black has to win the ko twice, White not.
This is another variation where White cannot afford an attempt to kill Black, due to its sudden shortage of liberties, caused by the amazing 1-2 point throw-in.