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Dieter: evspsych's doubt (2012-01-06 19:17) [#9215]

Evpsych: I don't get this rule, although it is correct. Why are corners special? It seems to me that any 2 of the 8 points that form a square around the eye will "falsify" it. Perhaps others are as confused as I am about this.

unkx80: Maybe because if White occupies any of the four non-corner points, then the Black stones will not surround a point, so it should be obvious that there is no eye there. I think this is used for differentiating between a real eye and a false eye.

Evpsych: It might be worth pointing out the rationale in any master edit.

Bill: Maybe you don't get it because it is wrong. You cannot decide whether an eye is false or not just by looking at these points. However, on the assumption that the White stones in these diagrams are alive, the eyes will very often be false. And, in terms of the life or death of the Black stones, it is rare that the eye will be necessary for life, even if it need not be filled. So, normally, you might as well consider it to be false.

Proof for the above statement can be seen here: [ext] http://senseis.xmp.net/?topic=673

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68.122.11.140: ((no subject)) (2012-01-06 21:59) [#9216]

Bill: I have since come to think that it would be good to talk about defective one point eyes. IOW, having the opponents' live stones occupying the corners of a one point eye in the center makes it defective. The defect is normally enough to make the eye false, but not always. Also, even when the eye is not false, a defective eye usually does not count towards making an independently live group.

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tapir: ((no subject)) (2012-01-06 22:15) [#9217]

Guo Juan afair calls these "shoulders" in a beginner lesson. Having a name for it allows for some handy rules of thumb. "An eye needs 3 shoulders in the center, 2 at the edge and 1 in the corner."

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RobertJasiek: ((no subject)) (2012-01-07 07:36) [#9220]

As usual, not the shape matters but the function. Independent life is related to two eyes - not to one eye. In seki and anti-seki, matters are different.

 
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