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Recategorize the difficulty of this problem? [#2538]

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timh: Recategorize the difficulty of this problem? (2011-04-09 22:18) [#8396]

From the solution discussion, it seems clear this is not an appropriate beginner problem, no?

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tapir: Re: Recategorize the difficulty of this problem? (2012-07-04 18:41) [#9531]

Yes!

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Slarty: ((no subject)) (2012-07-05 18:14) [#9533]

Can't beginners be exposed to seki and ko? This is a nice problem even if the solution page or prompt is messy.

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115.42.206.42: Tsumego Conventions (2012-07-05 19:54) [#9534]

unkx80: If we use Tsumego Conventions as a simplifying assumption, then the presentation of the solution can be greatly simplified.

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emeraldemon: Re: Tsumego Conventions (2012-07-06 04:02) [#9535]

If I'm reading that page correctly, the correct answer to this problem is to tennuki, no? Life is strictly better than ko, and the white stone is already alive in seki.

tapir: Re: Tsumego Conventions (2012-07-06 09:56) [#9536]

Depends. Black wouldn't gain much by winning the ko, but might lose a lot. And the best he can get by moving first is a seki. But these complications are imo enough to move it elsewhere. Personally I found 3 problems among the first 100 to be a bit over the top, other than this the 28 and the 54.

202.156.177.125: Re: Tsumego Conventions (2012-07-06 10:17) [#9537]

unkx80: You read it right, but the target is the black group. So it would be more desirable to kill the black group in a ko rather to have both in seki.

 
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