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Alternate responses for white when pincered [#1397]

67.65.164.238: Alternate responses for white when pincered (2008-05-20 14:20) [#4691]

A colleague of mines often plays the circle spot. Why I cannot find any responses in the go websites? Is this a bad move? if so, how can i punish it?

Bill: Re: Alternate responses for white when pincered (2008-05-20 22:56) [#4694]

White's slide looks low and slow.

The jump attachment at looks attractive. - is White's most stubborn response. (Otherwise White is easily contained.)

Rather than capture white+circle , is a key play, sacrificing the black+circle stones for great thickness.

HermanHiddema: Re: Alternate responses for white when pincered (2008-05-21 16:10) [#4695]

I would probably play like this, with either at simply at a, or at b to seal white in completely. Black gets thickness in exchange for about 10 points for white.

like this is unreasonable. white+circle becomes mochikomi and white ends in gote with a semi-weak group, while black gets a large corner.

Bill: Re: Alternate responses for white when pincered (2008-05-21 16:38) [#4696]

allows White to sacrifice the corner. All of White's plays are kikashi. Perhaps should be at 6 right away.

HermanHiddema: Re: Alternate responses for white when pincered (2008-05-21 17:13) [#4697]

Yes, I had considered this, but it seems goo for black too, connectng with the pincer stone. I think should be at , otherwise can be at and allow white to connect.

Bill: Re: Alternate responses for white when pincered (2008-05-21 18:28) [#4698]

Black gets to connect, but as White I would be happy to give up two stones in return for four forced replies. :)

As for the crosscut and connection, the connection did not look all that great to me.

Instead of , maybe White should extend to 4.

This is not so bad for White, but I think that sacrificing the corner is better. :)

71.192.11.206: Even with a more distant pincer ... (2008-05-21 19:17) [#4699]

Bob McGuigan: In his book Tricks in Joseki Yilun Yang analyses the slide when Black has made a two space low pincer:

Mr. Yang gives the following two diagrams:

After White must defend at a so the white+square stone becomes useless.

White is split into two weak groups, but of course this is a different pincer than in the original question.

68.6.181.30: Another alternative (2009-11-19 09:35) [#6588]

A kyu once played this against me in a game. It's not mentioned anywhere on SL, but how is it a bad move? It doesn't seem punishable.

HermanHiddema: Re: Another alternative (2009-11-19 09:38) [#6590]

Herman: is slow and heavy. is enough punishment. Normally, with the one point jump, white could play a, but that is not possible now.

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