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Bill: History (2007-07-30 02:14) [#3561]

I think that the text gives a skewed view of the history of go. Whole board thinking in joseki goes back hundreds of years. To be sure, modern understanding is much better than it was back then, but it is hardly a modern development.

Still, the idea of whole board joseki, in the sense of sequences that are not confined to one area, is interesting. The distinction between it and opening is fuzzy, however.

(Later): The text has been rewritten, and now gives a more accurate and balanced view of history.

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velobici: Re: History (2007-07-19 17:43) [#3562]

can someone added examples (which texts, books?) have whole board openings...i seem to remember ones in Korsheldt (sp?) but that is an German language reference from only about 100 years ago.

Dieter: Re: History (2007-07-19 17:52) [#3564]

I will add examples in due time.

Bill: Re: History (2007-07-19 18:28) [#3565]

Jiang Jujo and Rui Naiwei's three volume set, "The World's New Joseki" published in Japanese and, I think, Korean, takes a whole board approach. Also, GoGoD is tranlating Murase Shuho's Hoen Shinpo, which was Korschelt's source. It is currently [ext] here.

Dieter: Re: History (2007-07-19 17:53) [#3563]

The distinction between it and opening is fuzzy, however.

Absolutely. From my most recent understandings, the difference lies mostly in the number of moves and the fact that in a few corners skirmishes (not to call them joseki) have taken place. Moreover, the joseki term indicates an equal opening.

Dieter: Re: History (2007-07-19 18:02) [#3566]

Let's say stage 1 is pre-Dosaku, stage 2 pre-Go Seigen.

 
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