Forum for Miai values list
Seven points? [#1030]
In the page, the following diagram is said to be 7.00 points miai.
![[Diagram]](diagrams/50/73194abd80a47cb026de1970ac9d6c24.png)
![[Diagram]](diagrams/2/6bdc3c1de4626fca8f466d796b2fe933.png)
Well, we start from a symmetrical position, so we can think of this as representing the value of the original position.
![[Diagram]](diagrams/26/b8ac8dc87a749303dd3aa2524df702e2.png)
, and White has lost 6 points.
But the descent is probably better, anyway. See revision of page.
![[Diagram]](diagrams/43/6d3805fa67717a6d1c83d3b9869e0e8f.png)
As the original position is symmetrical, and the hane is gote (hence the tally will be 2), then the miai value is just the count at the end of the sequence. Here the count is B+5. Of course, the other way it will be W+5, with a tally of 2, hence, 5 points miai.
This must be wrong, as I surely believe you over me here, especially since the incursion is clearly deeper than the simpler case, but what is the problem with the calculation? To practice miai counting I've been evaluating simpler positions and my calculations have agreed with everything here so far.
Also, here's a somewhat normal position in a game:
![[Diagram]](diagrams/16/16db6a25a43317a3cd30cacabb2f48f3.png)
I calculate this to be 9 points miai, which seems dreadfully wrong. Somehow my method seems to only coincidentally work for simple positions but fails for others. Any help is appreciated.
erislover wrote:
![[Diagram]](diagrams/17/945a886cae1afbfc46f181396ae3f337.png)
You are forgetting the two points opposite 
and 
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As for the second position, how do you find the value?
"You are forgetting the two points opposite and ."
Gah!
You seem to be arriving at a count of five points as 8 - 3, counting the unmarked spaces on each side. However, and are filled on one side, and empty (though circled) on the other; the actual count is 10 - 3.
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