# Completely Artificial Problem / Discussion

lavalyn takes on ANY tsumego regardless of difficulty

The vital point

lavalyn: I am thoroughly convinced this is the first move of the killing sequences. While my depth and calculation do start failing at around move 12, this is the one I can't refute.

White dies 1
White dies 2
White dies 3
White dies 4

MattNoonan: I don't see an obvious refutation to this sequence:

White doesn't die 1

I don't see any way for Black to continue except for a, but then:-

White doesn't die 2

..but now Black can't play a without b, so White lives.

So a in "White doesn't die 2" seems like a vital point of the shape. What if Black takes it?

White doesn't die 3.a
White doesn't die 3.b
White doesn't die 3.c

..and White gets a ko.

unkx80: Whoa... I thought I solved the problem last night, but actually I did not. Now I *think* I see the solution, so it's a double under the stones problem?

Hmmm... ko ?

Yes, this is the answer Nando.

Yes, it's a double under the stones problem unkx80.

MattNoonan got the correct sequence but was three moves away from the right answer.

Nando: definitely ! ;) Thanx Lucky for providing it here :)

unkx80: Thanks for such a nice problem!

MattNoonan: So close! Great problem :)

The vital point

IwaHanako?: How about as a first move?

The vital point

unkx80: This lives.

This happened in a game I saw someone play someone else who played in the corner on their first turn.

Completely Artificial Problem / Discussion last edited by 24.1.201.172 on August 17, 2010 - 22:37
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