BQM 493

    Keywords: Joseki

In my games I started to play Mokuhazushi (5-3 point)just to try it out. I had some success with it and would want to know more about it. While the most common aproach is the 3-4 point, once I encountered this and didn't quite know how to answer:

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shoulder hit  

I thought that the two main alternatives are a and b but none of them really seems to punish W2 since b pushes w along the fourth line (isn't that bad?) and a just seems to take 3rd line territory in exchange for a white wall on the 4th line

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corner  

3-4 exchange seems forced, since I don't think continuing to push would be a good idea... and this exchange doesn't quite seem to punish w's shoulder hit

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corner  

I see some trouble for b if he tries to resist...

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corner  

And couldn't W just tenuki after W2 leaving the shoulder hit as a forcing move and treat it lightly (and maybe use it later)?



so, my question as a 5k (KGS) is, how to best answer/punish the shoulder hit on Mokuhazushi?


unkx80: My quick answers here. Please feel free to ask for an elaboration.

[Diagram]
corner  

B5 can cross-cut. No way White can get a good result here.

Looks to me like W4 should be at B5. ~srn347

unkx80: Probably. Then B5 at W4, the result don't seem too good for White either.

[Diagram]
corner  

If W4 tenuki, B5 can either tenuki or play the hane at B5. This is a pretty solid corner with definite territory.

Andy: B1 looks a little slack here though, so maybe tenuki is better?

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corner  

Actually the above is a transposition of the 3-4 point corner enclosure with the W1 and B2 exchange. This exchange is rarely good for White.


JoelR: This is an interesting discussion. I have some questions about the continuations given:

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wall  

Doesn't the effectiveness depend on whether White has support around the star point?

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corner  

If Black plays for the side with B3, is W4 playable? Yes, it induces a shoulder hit, but White might get a big corner, and Black might need to protect against cuts.

MrTenuki: This position is bad for White according to the six-kyu noseki page, though.


BQM 493 last edited by MrTenuki on December 17, 2009 - 19:47
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