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Dieter: still merge (2011-09-15 13:01) [#8781]

I'm not saying it must be removed, I just noticed a lot of duplicate diagrams. I don't care which version survives. I'm fine with integrating either into the other. The presence of a stone along the side is an issue for any joseki and doesn't warrant a special treatment.

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tapir: Re: still merge (2011-09-15 14:22) [#8782]

Yes, but it is still duplicate diagrams if we add them add each the low, the high, the near, the far pincer. There is a problem in the way joseki dictionaries and by emulating them SL is presenting certain corner sequences. Basically you have the same sequence everywhere, but you lack a thorough treatment that could be offered on a central page because you have split the presentation among a dozen of pages. I tried a more unified presentation here. I don't see much merit in integrating it in a 3-5 point 4-3 approach etc. etc. hamete page. In fact the whole page name of the other page is misleading.

Dieter: Re: still merge (2011-09-15 14:51) [#8783]

I think you see the merge suggestion as a criticism, whereas I put it as a reminder of duplicate content. I'm really really really not going to argue about anything. I'm fed up with arguing in collaborative work. I just wanted to see the potential work.

Even if you think the duplicacy is ok, I'm ok. Organizing joseki pages is not easy. I certainly don't think the current way is ideal. Your page summarizes away from the particular pincer, which is a good approach. Unfolding according to move order has its merits too.

And I agree the hamete page title is misleading.

tapir: Re: still merge (2011-09-15 15:45) [#8784]

Well it is not for the sake of arguing, but I am starved of feedback and genuinely looking for an exchange of ideas.

I am unhappy about needless duplication, but I made this page as an example how we may reduce it, and get a better treatment of certain joseki in the process. So, it is a bit sad that it is perceived as a duplicate itself. Categorizing it as 3-5 point low approach by move order removes the pincers altogether... Well, I am not sure of the best way and I am not against merging the pages, but I felt thoroughly misunderstood first.

Dieter: Re: still merge (2011-09-15 16:36) [#8785]

All right, let me see how I can redo the "hamete" page. Again, I was not labelling your page as a troublesome redundant page, but sticking a reminder about multiple diagrams in there being either duplicate with the referred page or contradicting. It's like a task: I or we must have a look at that. The template is perhaps too dry for that.

 
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