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isd: Tiebreaker name (2010-04-15 11:09) [#7635]

isd: Why does there need to be an 'of' between Mean and Defeated Opponent's Score? I don't really see why it is strictly necessary.

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217.152.87.113: Re: Tiebreaker name (2010-04-15 11:29) [#7636]

Bass: Me neither. I like my opponents average and mean. Also, if the lack of "of" is too confusing for some, the rest of the phrase needs some heavy pluralization. I think I'd like "average defeated opponent's score" best though; the acronym is much more pronounceable that way :-)

194.117.40.165: Re: Tiebreaker name (2010-04-15 13:35) [#7637]

Phelan: With my edit on TieBreaker, I was just trying to make the phrase clearer. If it muddles the meaning, feel free to change it back.

isd: Re: Tiebreaker name (2010-04-15 14:22) [#7638]

Maybe we should have an exciting consensus gathering excercise on the best name first. :)

xela: Re: Tiebreaker name (2010-04-16 14:41) [#7646]

It's necessary because "mean" when used as an adjective is ambiguous: it can refer to "average" or to "unkind". In the phrase "mean score" it's not hard to tell which meaning is intended. However, in "mean opponent's score", the question arises whether "mean" modifies "score" or "opponent", so the phrase is a little harder to parse correctly. It's not incorrect, it's just clumsy style.

When we get to "mean defeated opponent's score", where there is already the adjective "defeated" modifying "opponent", it becomes even more clumsy. So at this point it's a good idea to rephrase it as "mean of defeated opponents' scores" so that "mean" is used as a noun, and is therefore unambiguous.

It's not that there's any real danger of confusion. After all, you could write "mean defeeted oponents score" and people would figure it out. But it would be ugly, and we can do better than that.

isd: Re: Tiebreaker name (2010-04-16 16:32) [#7647]

I don't think ambiguity is that pertinent an argument here. As there is only 1 opponent, then mean must apply to them, as must defeated. Adding the of just changes a singular to plural. Ultimately everyone is still going to blurt out "What does ---DOS mean?" on first reading a results table anyway. That's the joy of Acronyms for you. Maybe ADOS does a little better though. (^,^)

84.250.84.203: Re: Tiebreaker name (2010-04-16 17:44) [#7648]

Bass: Here are some other name suggestions:

  • Mention the origin of this tie breaker: Modified Sum of Defeated Opponents' Scores (MSDOS)
  • How does it work: Withdraw Information from Normative Defeated Opponents' Winning Skills (WINDOWS)
  • In a slightly more official way: Won Individuals' Normalized Neutralization Tendency (WINNT)
  • Go for brevity: eXtra Points (XP)
  • What we are trying to measure: Stumped Masses' Estimated Game Mastering Ability (VISTA)
  • Mention that this is not a main scoring system: Winning-induced Secondary Knowledge (W2K)
  • Mention what you should do in a seven round tournament to avoid having to use this tie breaker: Win 7.
xela: Re: Tiebreaker name (2010-04-17 03:57) [#7651]

You've proved my point perfectly. "Mean" does not apply to "opponent", it applies to "score". Adding the word "of" does not just change a singular to a plural, it also changes a noun to an adjective.

But I agree that Bass's suggestions are even better ;-)

isd: Re: Tiebreaker name (2010-04-17 14:06) [#7653]

Hmm, but doesn't it make a difference where the apostrophe goes?

  • The mean of defeated opponents' score - here opponents are plural, and we look at all their scores (provided we defeated them).
  • The mean defeated opponents' score - not sure that this sentence makes sense in the context of a single tournament.
  • The mean defeated opponent's score - the opponent is singular, we only look at his score.

I don't find this all that confusing anyway. :) I think you can use either the first or the third. About Bass's ideas, I get the feeling there is some strange pattern going on there. Can't put my finger on it...

 
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