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(moved) scoring question [#20]

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ArnoHollosi: (moved) scoring question (2005-10-09 00:07) [#32]

albacore: When your opponent has a group that they can easily connect to make 2 eyes, should you play in the group to force them to do it? (This is discussed in connection with the final side group on the page mentioned.) It seems to me it would make sense to do this, as each stone your opponent plays in their own territory to connect the group reduces their score by 1. Am I missing something?

Bill: Do you mean this group?

[Diagram]
Fifth side group  

Suppose that White plays at a, forcing Black to respond.

[Diagram]
White sente  

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Black still has 4 points: 3 points of territory plus 1 dead White stone. The score remains the same.

albacore: Many thanks for taking the trouble to answer. I can see only 2 points of territory, plus the 1 dead stone. Are you counting black at 2 as territory? The software I use only counts the empty points and dead enemy stones, and my understanding was this was the Japanese way of scoring. Hence the point of my question.

Paul Clarke: At the end of the game Black would remove W1 from the board, as it has no way to avoid being captured. That leaves Black with three empty points plus one point for the prisoner.

albacore: I had not understood that aspect of the counting, and I guess I misunderstood how my software counts territory and prisoners, too. Many thanks for the clarifications in your answers.

jfc: cough area counting cough.

Bill: cough Sunjang Baduk Scoring cough, hack ;-)

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Imagist: ((no subject)) (2006-04-25 06:36) [#1460]

That makes a very good ko threat, though.

 
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