keima slide and ogeima slide

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Discussion originally on answer keima with kosumi.

Answer keima with kosumi (i)  

This is another common diagonal response, to a keima slide.

Answer keima with kosumi (ii)  

But when W1 slides from one line further, the jump B is the usual response.

I learned this years ago. Frankly, I have forgotten why. Yesterday I saw Prof. Teigo Nakamura 6-dan. He has the most encyclopedic go knowledge of any amateur I know. He had forgotten why, too. ;-) But he spent a few minutes playing with the position and came up with the answer.

Black's play  

If Black answers white+circle with black+circle, later he could play B1 - B7.

White's play  

If White protects with W1, Black has sente; but she threatens to jump in at a. Note that Black had responded at a instead of the kosumi (marked), he would still threaten to play at b, but White would not have a big threat after W1.


(Moved from answer keima with kosumi.)

Charles Matthews I have wondered about this, having seen something very similar in an old Japanese book on tesuji.[1]

Firstly, there is no 'shape-based' rule.

Either answer ...  

If one looks at this sort of pattern, just somewhere on the side, then Black a and Black b are both commonly seen.

If one specialises to the case of the small high enclosure, then the diagonal move answer is more popular:

Enclosure, keima slide  

B1 here is much more popular than Black at a.

Enclosure, ogeima slide  

B1 is more popular than Black a.

These come from database search: they may contradict the book I read.

Looking, as one should, into the game context, the diagonal move answers do seem to be in the type of position where Black wants to take sente.

Enclosure, ogeima slide variant  

There may be something in the idea that the one-point jump answer B1 here invites W2 and W4, at which point Black would want to add another stone here.

Enclosure, keima slide variant  

In the keima slide case, White's immediate cut with W4 and W6 is possibly tactically. (White would like a good ladder for this, but perhaps that isn't a precondition?)

[1] A 1955 book by Kano Yoshinori. Here are the actual positions.

First case  

B1 is given as correct by Kano. In three pro games, Black instead played tenuki from the corner.

Second case  

B1 here is given as correct. This is more plausible: a low-ranked Korean pro has played a, but as a rule this is what one sees.

Charles Matthews

keima slide and ogeima slide last edited by CharlesMatthews on June 6, 2003 - 07:13
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