# Beginner Exercise 130 / Attempts

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White first

demetria: I think a ko can settle the issue. White probably made a stupid move but can still fight. If white makes the ko threat then black has to answer inside his own territory. Black can still be destroyed if white takes the vital point after the ko threat and capture.

Continuation

Black tries to make the best of it but gets only one eye.

lavalyn: Above is too lax. Black lives.

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demetria: In that case, should white throw in at A instead and the perhaps seal black off at B (after black responds of course)?

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unkx80: This lives too.

demetria: Hmm. I don't actually see a way to prevent black from making an eye at , but maybe white can threaten a capture.

White first

This puts black in atari. But could it work?

unkx80: You are almost there. But definitely should have been at a. How about at b?

White first
White first

demetria: I don't know if black would respond this way, but it seems like he might (well, if he were as stupid as me).

Oops! I misread above and didn't put at A. Let's fix that.

White first

At this point I don't know if black would respond at A or B. Black can capture at A and then again at C, but C first is a loss for black. After black captures at A, then white can take the vital point of the four shape. If black responds to white by capturing at C then white can put black into atari again. Would black be more likely to respond that way or to first secure the eye at the vital point?

Hmm. I'm actually starting to think this might be more successful if white played at C:

White first

This way, when black captures & , then white can create a false eye, and when black captures white's farmer's hat (which I suppose has to be his first move in this scenario), then white can take the vital point, killing the entire group. Black can't play at because then white would capture his group of stones. He can't play at A either, because that would still leave him with a false eye. I think it works, but please show me if this has a critical flaw.

unkx80: Finally, I see one of the solutions. =)

demetria: I'm glad I finally got it, but what was all that business of telling me should definitely be a A?

Beginner Exercise 130 / Attempts last edited by CharlesMatthews on July 23, 2003 - 15:21
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