Funkybside: This discussion was moved from GettingAheadWithAOnePointJump.

Better influence  

aLegendWai: 2 parts in this question.

I would like to ask if B1 to W4 exchange is good to B.
1. If so, would you mind to tell me why?
2. If not, how B may exploit the W's weakness at B1?

Funkybside: I would guess, if this is the early game and is occuring the upper left corner of the goban, this exchange is not good for black. (Depending on the location of this group and the whole board situation of couse).

Remember: Forcing/sente moves are not good moves simply by virtue of being sente! Only if you can clearly see yourself in a better position (and hopefully your opponent in a worse one) is the exchange good. That is not the case here.

If this is early/mid game, then a black tenuki should be more valuable than erasing the potential at B1- espically given the positions of the squared stones. IMHO, if there were a black stone at the circled point, then "maybe" this sequence could be played in an attempt to make white heavy by attacking near c with B5. (If there are other stones around, that changes everything.)

Coconuts: White probably played this sequence looking for influence in the center and across the top of the board. Allowing white to play at B3 just seems far too good for her for black to allow.

Funkybside: Don't forget that if white does play at B3, it's gote. Again I assume this is early in the game, where sente can be worth quite a bit. I also don't see a large difference between playing to B4 and then W5 @ d, compared to B1 tenuki and W2 at B3 (at least as far as influence on the top/center and sente/gote is concerned). In fact, not playing the B1-W4 sequence, and white playing at B3 leaves more aji in white's position, while black gets a free tenuki.

If this is later in the game and black is concerned with whites devlopment along the top, then playing this sequence followed by B5 at e may be a good tactic. Of course, a week from now I could have a different idea entirely :)

aLegendWai: Although I am the questioner, I still have the answers in mind. In fact, I feel B should not play like that.

I assume it is in early game.


  • B achieve nothing but just a bit of territory
  • W gets ahead of playing there is no loss (but a bit of territory) to B.
  • There's no follow-up move W can play after playing there. B doesn't need to respond
  • Don't take away your own liberty
  • This will enclose W's weakness which B may exploit in the middle game or endgame

But I am not sure if I am correct. I am a weak player anyway. So I asked questions in hope that the author will clear things up!

I am very happy that Funkybside and Coconuts kindly answered my questions. :D



GettingAheadWithAOnePointJump/Discussion last edited by aLegendWai on November 2, 2004 - 18:30
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