BQM 469
Tasky: I started lately to open at 5/5, and the joseki coming up goes like that (from kogo's). The joseki dictionary then continues with a,b,c,d but often my opponent just cuts at d instead of a...
What's the correct punishment and how to avoid losing the
stone (or giving away to much thickness while crawling low)?
I came up with something like this, but have I missed something?:
The exchange a/b can be played before
;
should then kill the white stones
fractic: If the ladder favors Black then he can play a double threat ladder maker with
and
. However playing just like this let's White connect with
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.
fractic: Therefor Black should first force with this
. If
on the outside the cut at a captures the white cutting stones. After this white can no longer connect underneath so as long as the ladder starting with b works this looks playable for black.
Tasky:Ok thx, 2 more questions: 1. what when the ladder doesn't work? 2. What can b do in the joseki position if w doesn't play c?
JoelR: Unlike on the double threat ladder maker page, c is not atari, so the
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sequence doesn't save the upper stones - Black catches them in a net.
fractic: Umm why not
at b? Black doesn't have time to go play a net.
JoelR: Oh, you're right. My mistake.
Bill: How about avoiding the problem completely with the turn at 5? :) That seems more in the spirit of the 5-5 opening than the purported joseki.
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