Joseki Related Life And Death Example 3 / Attempts
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Kill?
Charles A well-known position: can become ko.
![[Diagram]](../../diagrams/8/7cb396efc092cbcd399ddd25a372b4ab.png)
What about this?
White
is a different idea.But is it enough?
(No, see below.)
![[Diagram]](../../diagrams/23/b48295d37e50b495fc8daae9e7907664.png)
(1) Not killing
Playing
here can lead to the mentioned reduction, if Black continues with
at a. Other moves seem to fail.
What alternatives are there for
? Is White alive?
![[Diagram]](../../diagrams/50/8befd81b7f31f023292f5e93404c2c8c.png)
(2) Not killing either
![[Diagram]](../../diagrams/34/31255b7755494bc76750937dfcb3c2fa.png)
Hane both sides?
SnotNose: How does White respond to
?
Klaus: The "Double Hane" seems to kill, cool idea!
However, I'm still not completely convinced. I want to present an idea I found at oki wants tobi:
White seems to be alive here, but of course, Black kan play
differently in this case. He might try the vital point, but...
![[Diagram]](../../diagrams/3/b4e8e642569d58f72c8c8aa8d54669f8.png)
Alive?
... the sequence a, b, c, d won't kill White, and beginning with will be answered at a. so how is White killed?
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Dead;
The play at 3 kills White. If White connects at 4, Black 5 makes miai of "a" and "b".
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Dead;
If White tries 4 here instead, Black 5 makes "a" and "b" miai to limit White to one eye while "c" and "d" are miai for pulling out the Black stones. Note that White 4 at five is met by Black 5 at 4. This position is an interesting collection of miai. :-)