Non-Joseki Exercise 3 / Attempts

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Jan: Disclaimer: I don't know this joseki at all, and have not looked at the corresponding SL pages (or if I have, I don't remember them :)

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Original problem: black to play

OK, I assume Black played his first move on the 5-4 point with the idea to get a position along the upper side. Just trying out some ideas below, to see what they look like...

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First idea: too lax?

If the upper side is important, Black can play one. White will probably take a (or b??)

unkx80: I think Black 1 is way too weak. White 2 will play at a.

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Second idea: fight!

unkx80: Of course this variation is favourable for Black. =) So it is unacceptable for White to allow Black to have a ponnuki with 3.

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Second idea: fight!

Here Black is happy to get or attack the corner instead. I haven't looked at other options for white 2 yet.

unkx80: How about White 4 at a?


Alex Weldon: I like the first move of the second idea (atari at 1), but if White cuts at a, it gets complicated. What about Black using 3 to connect?

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Alex's idea: fight!


To my 10k eyes, this looks much better for Black in the ensuing fight, especially if the ladder works. Alternately, Black can let the outside White stones live and take the corner.

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Black wants the corner

Bill: Well, yes, but isn't this too easy on White? Look at the previous diagram, where Black 5 extends. White is left with three, count'em, three weak groups. White can hardly stand it.


As a variation on this, Black can take gote for more influence down the left side.

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Gote for corner + influence

unkx80: Yes, I am expecting Alex Weldon's answer, short and sweet, easy to understand and easy to play. =)


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