3-5 point Josekis

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This gives an overview of 3-5 point Josekis that have a page (or several pages) on Sensei's Library.

For each joseki a standard sequence is given (this is one of the more common ones, but need not be the absolutely most common one), and an overview of pages dealing with that joseki and its variations.

Table of contents Table of diagrams
Pressing move
Different variation
variation ''a''
variation ''a''-''a''
variation ''a''-''b''
One-space low pincer
Taisha
Taisha main variation
Two-space low pincer
Two-space high pincer
Three-space low pincer
Three-space high pincer
3-3 invasion
Another popular joseki family here
3-3 invasion
3-3 invasion followup
Kogo says...
Professional play
Professional play (2)
Professional play (3)
Keima answer
Attachment
Wedge
Distant low approach
Very high approach


Low approach

[Diagram]

Pressing move

xela: Is this diagram correct? Shouldn't W9 be at B10?

celebrir: I agree with xela I know this one:

[Diagram]

Different variation

  • a builds a big wall but W gets the bottom
  • b and c fight for the bottom
[Diagram]

variation a

  • B1-B5 prepare the nice black move of B7.
  • W can choice between a to save the two stones or b to get a ponnuki
[Diagram]

variation a-a

  • B4 finishs the joseki.
  • W might play a or b later.
  • Note that the cut at a doesn't work for W.
[Diagram]

variation a-b

  • B got the corner but W got a nice ponnuki

Bob McGuigan: That's the joseki move in my references. It seems that W9 versus B10 is a loss for White but it avoids some very complicated variations.

[Diagram]

One-space low pincer

[Diagram]

Taisha

[Diagram]

Taisha main variation

  • B2 at 4, white 8, black a: BQM 27
[Diagram]

Two-space low pincer

[Diagram]

Two-space high pincer

[Diagram]

Three-space low pincer

[Diagram]

Three-space high pincer


3-3 invasion/approach

[Diagram]

3-3 invasion

[Diagram]

Another popular joseki family here


Is W5 above correct? 38 Basic Joseki gives this:

[Diagram]

3-3 invasion

W7 tenuki

[Diagram]

3-3 invasion followup

38 Basic Joseki gives this followup line, but Kogos Joseki Dictionary calls W1 an error in move order.

Herman: Ishida agrees with Kogo's, and says that white should make the W1-B2 exchange before the white+circle-black+circle exchange.

[Diagram]

Kogo says...

Kogo gives this refutation with the the comment that with cutting points at both circle, white is in trouble here. Of course, sometimes Kogo's analysis verges upon the hyperbolic...

Herman: Ishida gives the exact same refutation diagram Kogo's gives (much of Kogo's is taken from Ishida). However...

[Diagram]

Professional play

Herman: Of the 52 games I have on record with this position, white next plays a 25 times and b 22 times, so a is in fact the most popular pro play in this position.

[Diagram]

Professional play (2)

Herman: Of the 25 games where white plays W1, black next plays a 17 times, b 6 times, and c 2 times. Apparently, there is more to this position than meets the eye.

[Diagram]

Professional play (3)

Herman: And finally, of the 6 games where black responds to W1 with B2, each of the continuations a, b and c is equally popular, with 2 occurences in pro play (of course, 6 games is too small a sample to draw really meaningful conclusions about that)

High approach

[Diagram]

Keima answer

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Attachment

[Diagram]

Wedge

6d ama IGS


Other approach moves

[Diagram]

Distant low approach

[Diagram]

Very high approach


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