KGSWishlist/ Discussion 2

Sub-page of KGSWishlist

This page discusses how we should change KGSWishlist.

I'm starting a new page because the old one has become so filled up with obsolete material and replies that are out of context that it's hard to keep the overview. This page only lists the open issues. I try to keep it out of the "I said - you said" paradigm by keeping all information in pro and contra lists. It doesn't really matter who wrote which argument.

We agree that

  • we should distinguish wishlists from wishes;
  • wishlists should be separate (main) pages;
  • we should encourage putting smaller issues on their own page, since it provides the benefit of not relying on footnotes at the cost of no major problem;

The following questions remain open:

Table of contents

Structure

Should we distinguish between wishes and issues?

Pro:

Contra:

  • Most issues ("KGS Issue - *" pages) can be interpreted as a wish. Some people may say: "Asian fonts are an issue that requires a non-trivial workaround", while others may say: "We wish Asian fonts could be displayed without a workaround.". This is just a difference of personal style, which is irrelevant for our purposes.
  • Many wishes in the wishlist are written because a user experiences an issue. A wish to "make it easier to resume games" can be stated as the issue: "there are some hurdles to resuming games".
  • Wishes can inconspicuously become issues, e.g. if the wish "The result should be displayed in the table" is replied by "just widen your window, there it is". We can't expect people to rename a page in such cases. (Or to move the wish from the wishlist to an "Issue List".)
  • It is easier for users - they need to worry about one less distinction.

Much of our differences are rooted in this disagreement. Maybe we should clarify this first before continuing with the rest. In the rest of the page I preliminarily use the term "wish_or_isue" where appropriate.

Should we have a common element (prefix) in the name of wishlists and of wish_or_isues?

This depends on the decision for the previous question.

Pro:

  • It will be possible to search for
            title like "KGS Wish*" AND text like "*MyWishOrIssue*"

Contra:

  • It is actually not necessary to be so exact in our search. It is enough to search for
            title like "KGS*" AND text like "*MyWishOrIssue*"
Such a search will typically not yield more than a couple pages, since there are less than 100 pages containing "KGS" in the title to begin with. Conversely, a more exact search is more likely to overlook relevant pages. The search couln't be any more effective than it already is!
  • The reason why we're proposing this change is that we desperately need to make it easier for users to find where their wish belongs, and if it has already been written. A clear distinction makes it clear which pages people will look at. Iff it's a wishlist, it is part of the outline on the main page - it should be as simple as that.
  • Wishlists have a different format. Keeping their names different will help enforce that distinction.

Options for handling discussion of individual wish_or_isues

We agree that we don't want wish_or_isues to be discussed on the wishlist itself to keep that list clean. That leaves the following options:

Discuss them on the wishlist/discussion page

Pro:

  • Fewer pages

Contra:

  • Many individual discussions on one page => confusion.
  • the connection between a wish in the wishlist and its discussion has to be kept by a footnote, which is not secure when pages get refactored.

Discuss them on a wishlist/specificwish##discussion page

Pro:

  • There is a clear connection between a wish_or_isue and the list. This is good in those cases where this connection is unquestionable.

Contra:

  • presupposes a clear subordination of a wish_or_isue to what we define as wishlist name. There may easily be discussions that relate to more than one wish, and the wishes may fall into different wishlists. In such a case, we would have to split the discussion by force.
  • not possible to define keywords
  • not possible to reroute page (alias)
  • name gets more complex
  • discussion not available with "discuss" button

Discuss them on the wish_or_issue page

Pro:

  • easy

Contra:

  • not so nice when factual information is mixed with discussion

Discuss them on the wish_or_issue/discussion page

Pro:

  • clear distinction between factual information is mixed with discussion

Contra:

  • adds another level of complication

IMO the appropriate would be to discuss them on the wish_or_issue page.


I had been concerned with the same work as you, for nearly one hour, when the display finally said "Attention: someone else might just be editing this page!". AarrgghH. I'll answer yours later. (Pretty good job, though!)

(Sebastian:) I'm sorry. On this page? I let the "seconds until edit warning for other users disappears" run down to 0 several times, but I never got any warning that someone else was working on it. This also happened on the /Discussion1 page, but i didn't change so much there except for some direct replies. If it was that page pls feel free to replace my version with yours. blubb: No, it was this one. ~__~ Perhaps the fact that the page didn't exist yet might have been the reason that no warning was shown to any of us? I don't know. Anyway, I got over it - not at least because this page looks fine now, nevertheless. :)


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