Page name change requests

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List your requests for changes of page names here (a librarian or admin usually will do the renaming within a day):

  • old name ==> new name

Anyone can set his own level to experienced deshi in the user preferences and then add spaces, hyphens, commas or any punctuation mark which is accepted by the engine (i.e. rename "LibertyTacticalSense" to "Liberty (tactical sense)".

Changes which affect the JoinCapitalizedWords spelling, however, can only be done by librarians, an access level given by the admins.

The following changes are also considered page renamings, and hence can be done by librarians:

  • Turning a normal page into a subpage, e.g. from Foo to Bar / Baz.
  • Turning a subpage into a normal page, e.g. from Bar / Baz to Foo.
  • Renaming a subpage of a page, e.g. from Foo / Bar to Foo / Baz.
  • Turning a subpage of a page into a subpage of another page, e.g. from Foo / Bar to Alpha / Beta.

See also: WikiOrphans.


Current Requests

- none -

Past Requests

Bamboo Joint Is Bad Shape --> Is Bamboo Joint a Bad Shape?

  • blubb: The current headline is needlessly misleading. Please rename.
  • unkx80: Not sure whether I want to rename, given the context in Controversial Statements and A Static Treatise On Shape.
  • wingnut?: How about Bamboo Joint Is Sometimes Bad Shape? ?
  • blubb: I don't really like the idea to call entire pages after misleading statements, but I see that in the given context, there is no easy fix.

Contact play for sabaki --> Attachment for sabaki?

  • Bill: Attachment is the standard English term. Contact play is Bruce Wilcox's term for his theory of contact fights.
  • (Saturday): I have emailed Bruce asking for his definition. Please put my request on hold until I have a chance to hear back from him. Thanks.
  • In my mind these are not the same. - DrStraw
  • To me, attachment suggests a single stone, whereas contact suggests the possibility of nobi, etc. - Bildstein
  • I think "contact" includes moves like a shoulder hit or an angle play, not just attachments, and these other moves are often useful for making sabaki. -Bob McGuigan
  • Bill: True, Bob. But the proverb is explicit about attachment.

Shindo - Hon Suyon Game -> Hikaru Shindo - Suyong Hong Game?

  • ViciousMan: VIZ, English-language publisher of Hikaru no Go, revealed its naming order and romanization of the Korean character.

Kawabata Yasunari -> Yasunari Kawabata

    • ViciousMan: HOWEVER, in the Go world people generally refer to Japanese Go players by family name first, so this convention is generally what is used here. However, Kawabata is not primairly a Go player, but an author.
    • The issue, by the way, is discussed a bit at Japanese Name

Velobici: ViciousMan has written his take on the issue at Japanese Name. All the edits of that page but for one are his. In particular, one can find there the edict Sensei's Library will use the western order (given name, then family name) when discussing most Hikaru no Go characters (characters from modern day Japan). as promulgated by ViciousMan. As a result of sustained effort we now have 14 aliases for Hikaru.

  • ViciousMan Much of the information I posted originally came from [ext] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_name - The Hikaru no Go naming order, though, did originate from me... it's only for HnG, though. I cannot lay claim to the idea of most sources using Western order for most modern individuals - Most English-language newspapers (even English-language newspapers published in Japan) use Western order; look at the English-language Mainichi Daily News, for instance. [ext] http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/news/20061125p2a00m0na018000c.html is an example article.
  • ViciousMan: By the way, for the few people with articles (I.E. non-Go players) who are listed in Western order, the Japanese and the Eastern naming order are present (i.e. Takeshi Obata has "Takeshi Obata (小畑 健 Obata Takeshi, born February 11, 1969)" - As for how multiple naming order patterns are handled, see Umezawa Yukari.
  • ViciousMan: By the way, I also created Chinese name.

unkx80: How about this. For the very first mention of a name, capitalize the surname, e.g. SHINDO Hikaru. This capitalization stuff is a standard and is also used on the [ext] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_name page mentioned by Viciousman. As for the variants... just alias them out.

As an Asian, I personally prefer seeing names in their natural order, but in a Wiki that consists of predominantly Western contributors, I shall not insist on the name ordering used.

blubb: Even as a European, I feel the same: proper names generally should remain in original state, unless officially changed. Popular order or spelling variants may deserve alias pages.

By distinguishing e. g. whether someone is known more as go player than as an author or the other way around, we certainly could set up an amazing work creation scheme for the few who are willing to enforce such rules. About the use beyond, I'm not so sure, though.

ViciousMan: I do agree that Pro Go players should remain in Japanese order, since this is what the Anglophone Go community prefers. The Capitalization idea to disambiguate family names (I.E. Hikaru SHINDO likes KOBAYASHI Koichi) sounds like a good solution, UNkX80 :)

ViciousMan: By the way, I also like to use footnotes to explain naming order conventions. E.G. Hikaru Omake Background mentions that the five modern-day HnG characters had their orders switched, while the five historical real-life people have their names in Eastern order (as per the U.S./Canadian manga).


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