Movies/Discussion

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Tamsin: I have deleted this. It was horrible and completely unconnected with go. Nobody should have to see it. Please remember that children, also, use Sensei's Library.

Arno: can somebody explain to me why we have the /warning page? A short sentence warning potential viewers of the cruelties contained in the movie is enough. I don't see a need for a whole page with links to history, political and other pages. I guess I delete the warning page soonish. SL is not the place to debate politics or war crimes.

tderz: How about adding just this reference?:

[ext] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Behind_The_Sun.

I agree not to discuss too much politics per se on Senseis.
It becomes different when the Go content is linked to other issues and you/we/I mention that.
(the extent matters, I agree).

Velobici: Unfortunately, the statement This wiki has the spirit of representing controversial (if at all) issues objectively is untrue. Wikipedia contains factually inaccurate but politically correct statements. While Wikipedia a valiant effort, it is incapable of dealing with politically charged subjects, in particular subjects that are important to people that contribute to Wikipedia.

Arno: Thomas, whether my decision should be labeled political or not is up for anyone to decide for himself/herself (I don't view it as political, btw). I do not object to mentioning facts, but I do object to having non-go related content on this wiki. And this page crosses the line for me. I fail to see how WWII atrocities relate to Go, no matter how true or important they are. I have changed the entry on the parent page. I hope you agree with the changes. But the warning page has no relation to Go and therefor has no place on SL.

C.S. Graves: Though I liked tderz's pages, I realize that they were not as relevant to go as the original entry, and I think the changes made to the Movies page are fair enough.

Hu: I think the movies page, as of my writing this, has returned to normalcy. It seems that there is a reasonable description of the Go content, there is a small warning, and there is an external reference for those who might be interested in the facts and the politics. I am glad to have missed much of the controversy because I can understand all three sides opinions. I agree that there does not need to be a whole warning subpage attached to the main movies page to "warn" about one movie, when the effect is to provide a soapbox from which to have a political (non-go) discussion about the movie. There are many other forums where such discussions are appropriate and the Wikipedia page and Google are ways to find them.


tderz: Arno, I agree now to your view.

Velobici, referring to your sentence above, I would like to reformulate to "Wikipedia contains also factually inaccurate but politically correct statements" :
From [ext] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelinesff. one can learn how a wikipedia can successfully deal with issues where no [ext] consensus can be reached. In fact, a wikipedia is not about finding any consensus in (political) debates, rather about informing that there exists a debate/disagreement.

Velobici: Quoting from the Wikipedia policy above Avoid bias. Articles should be written from a neutral point of view, representing differing views on a subject factually and objectively. There is no room allowed for factually inaccuracy in Wikipedia, yet there remains the Wikipedia choice of factually inaccurate but politically correct statements over the factually accurate. Wikipedia could choose to state that the facts are disputed, but rather chooses falsification.

Bildstein: I don't believe that Wikipedia offers the choice of factually inaccurate statements. Rather, when people believe things that are factually inaccurate, Wikipedia allows editers to make statements about the fact that people believe these things, without the need to state that they are untrue or invalid beliefs. It's a subtle dinstinction, but I think it's an important one.

Velobici: Wikipedia is contradicted by the only extant birth certificate, The New York Times, The Nobel Prize Committee, biographies, a number of articles, yet persists in propagating a lie. This has been pointed out at Wikipedia numerous times. The refuse to give equal credence to the truth vis a vis the politically correct lie. The article is slowing moving toward giving equal credence to truth and lie. Previous references to outside sources (such as The Nobel Prize Committee) have been removed. Removing these significantly weakens the appearence of truth in this matter.

It even worse that I thought. Wikipedia contains a page entitled List of selected cities by population density that lists cities by continent and population density. Many of these cities cover quite large areas: Seoul 607 square kilometers for instance. The list's top 30 sites are more densely populated, some by a factor of 10, than a location listed in Wikipedia as one of the most densely populated territories on earth. Yet is politically correct to decry how overcrowded another location is regardless of Vancouver and Toronto being more overcrowded.


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