BQM 180

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    Keywords: Life & Death, Problem

Another Life and Death question:

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Black to kill

This question may be the result of a kyu's inability to read at the proper level ;)

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Book answer

which leaves the following position as shown in the diagram immediately below.

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Result

This appears to be a ko for life. But the book uses the chinese "(黑先) 黑棋怎么下杀死白棋" as the text that introduces the problem.


Reuven: So.. what's the question? ^^*

Velobici: The question is: How to kill unconditionally...that's what I understand the chinese statement of the question that appears next to the problem in the book. Yet, the white stones appear to me to live or die on ko....not unconditionally dead. Perhaps the problem is my reading of the position. Perhaps the problem is my reading of Chinese (which is just starting to develope). Maybe even both ;)

Reuven: I don't think it can be killed unconditionally. It's probably a metter of understanding the text - Does it explictly say "kill unconditionaly"? Because if it's "do something" or even "kill" a ko'll do. (Yup even for "Kill." most of the time a ko will do as it's the best possible attempt to kill...)

Joonas Tyystjarvi: It can't be killed unconditionally. I'd guess the problem is something like "how should black start the ko?". The wrong way is to start at B3.

nando: FWIW, I don't know enough chinese to tell, but I've just been told by a native, that it just says "kill", not "kill unconditionally". If we admit that "kill" is equivalent to "deny unconditional life", then there's no problem.

unkx80: "(Black first) How should Black play to kill White?" Chinese literature tends to be a bit ambiguous about phrasing life and death questions, so just try to find the best possible solution. If they want to be precise about killing unconditionally, they will mention 净杀 (for living unconditionally, 净活).

By the way, this is Beginner Exercise 86.


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