evpsych: What's the +/- on this? I was under the impression that a 10k nngs is about 17k igs or thereabouts. This table says 10k=10k. +/- 4 stones?
Alex Weldon: I don't believe the ranks given for Gup are accurate; Koreans tell me that nowadays, you go 1 through 7 dan after passing 1 Gup. Perhaps it's been adjusted to match the kyu system
Most online Korean Go servers rankings are inflated by as high as 10~5rankings. However if you play at a Korean club or academy the ranking with an instructor who gives out the rankings it is almost similiar as the table
(July 24 2003) Isn't an update of this list needed now that NNGS has raised rankings by 2 stones? (see help new-ratings on NNGS).
StormCrow: Persuant to the above comment and the bumps in the ranking graphs on NNGS, I've updated the table by increasing all the NNGS rankings by 2 stones.
Alex Weldon: I think either the rankings for KGS, or those for IGS, as given above, are wrong. I was 5k* IGS many months ago, then stopped playing and starting playing on KGS. I lost my first few games, and my rating actually ended up in the low double-digits. I was underrated for sure, and quickly improved back up, but progress has slowed down and I'm still only 6k on KGS (still slightly underrated, since I win about 70% of my games). Meanwhile, my actual skill has improved, so when I decided to try playing on IGS again today, I demolished all my 5k* opponents. So, although the table above shows that KGS ratings are inflated relative to IGS, I think one or the other server must have changed their system, because it seems to be the other way around in my experience.
On the other hand, it may just be a difference in style... maybe my style works better against IGS players. Who knows?
UrbanNilsson: According to the KGS club Tenuki at
http://www.abstractboardgames.com/kgs/add.php, the ranking difference between EGF and KGS is the other way around. They say that 20k KGS is equal to 15k in Sweden (and Swedish ranking is within a third of a stone of EGF's according to
http://www.european-go.org/rating/rgdrep.html)
HolIgor: This may be true about the double digit kyu range. Novices on the servers honestly start at 30k and then painfully climb up the ladders fighting with the similar players. Their rating usually lags behind their real strength. In real life promotions happen very fast depending on the results of the tournaments or when stronger players feel that they have to decrease the handicap in order to have a chance of winning. Yet at the level of single digit kyus and dans the table is in my opinion quite correct.
May I remind you that, AGA and EGF rankings are based on wins and losses. Korean, Japanese, and Chinese rankings are based on skills and concepts learned.
I am KGS 3k and German 1k and I know many other people where it is this way and not as shown in the table. -- benni
I am KGS 2k and AGA 1d, I also just played (apparently) a Korean 16 kyu (or Gup I'm not sure, he said kyu) who was clearly about two stones stronger... I was floored, are koreans THAT much stronger? ---AdHoc?
I believe that the table may have to be changed; recently DGS has been changed so it is impossible to go under 30 kyu. (Before, the minimum was 40 kyu.) Has this been adjusted? Or have I been asleep? ---DanielB
As far as I know, official EGF ratings start with 20k, not 28k. --gimpf
I'm 15k in kgs 18 in igs and 18 in dashen... is it possible?---me
KGS ranks have altered after a formula correction. Somebody should alter the table to reflect this. KGS 6k, EGF 4k
I know an AGA 1k and an AGA 2k who are KGS 6k
Does anyone have a good idea about how Dash ranks fit in with the others listed?