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Real men don't talk.

(Sebastian:) Well, then. Welcome to the club of surreal men!

(No reply.)

Klaus: I don't talk either!

Charles On the 'real men don't eat quiche' theme: I was once accused of playing like a Pascal programmer (by a Perl hacker).

JennyRadcliffe: I'm reliably informed that real men do eat quiche - when it's the only thing left in the fridge. (One assumes their mother has left it there in the first place).

Velobici: the other case in which men eat quiche is when my^H^Htheir wives have cooked it for dinner and I^Hthey come home starving from work.

(Sebastian:) Actually, that seems to make sense: PascalGo? allows you to play a stack of nested tenuki and subtenuki which are valid only locally. (Something I miss in C++Go).

gimpf: Lisp(read: parenthesized)-Go is what I like most - don't fight the opponent, embrace and kill!

Men are like a ponnuki Discuss :

Rich: They're a bit thick, and can be rather slow, but they're useful to have around?

kokiri they're more valuable than they at first appear; and, if given the chance, you should usually grab one?


Tamsin: I'm not the person to ask as to whether real men eat quiche. What I want to know is, when are we going to get some serious discussion on this page? For instance, the go world is more female-friendly than, say, the chess world, but why is it that more men play go than women? Do men need games more than women do? How do women and men differ in their attitudes toward games? I'd be really interested in people's opinions on such questions.

well I like playing games socially. But most people prefer drinking

JennyRadcliffe I ascribe it to a number of things: firstly, here in Britain at least, most people seem to get into Go because they hear about it through either maths or computing. Since both fields are male-dominated (for who-knows-what reason), Go inevitably inherits that. Secondly, Go is extremely focussed - women prefer to multi-task. It's one of the biggest inhibitors to my play - I want to eavesdrop on conversations and watch what's happening in the room as well as play, and that distracts me at crucial moments. (Last night, a kid playing maybe his 15th game caught me out in a snap-back - doh!). And thirdly, if a woman does overcome that first hurdle and somehow hear about Go, and for some reason finds it interesting, she has to deal with the atmosphere of Go clubs and tournaments. Which are, make no mistake about it, extremely friendly and welcoming to women - from my own personal experience. But they are geeky. And it takes a special kind of woman - a girl geek, in fact - to actually be comfortable with and enjoy that. So ... mostly they don't stay around, even if they arrive in the first place. I think, anyway. I also think I've probably put this on the wrong page.

ChrisSchack: Now that I think about it, the part about wanting to pay attention to everything else applies to me as well, though it's more along the lines of I can't NOT do this. It makes it very difficult to play when there's somebody who can't ever be quiet, as I can't ever tune them out...

Rich: I think the same also applies to male non-geeks being put off by geekiness; to less of an extent,but still a barrier.

Well Go is a mulitasking game! You should be thinking about shape, influence, weak groups, thickness and the conversation no the table next to you all at the same time. I;d be interested to know actually what the relative ratio of male:female is between Go and Chess. I think Go is a slightly more sociable game - because it's much easier to kibbitz in. When you play chess at a club everyone feels that they can't speak any louder than a whisper - definitely not the case in most Go clubs.

Velobici: Women seem to prefer interaction with others over nearly all other activities. They value interpersonal relationships and use language, both spoken and written, to build those relationships. Men prefer to build relationships upon shared actions. Therefore, men prefer to play games or sports rather than talk...women prefer the social interaction of conversation. (Why does he allows pause the DVD when I talk to him?!!!)

Hint to Men out there: leave your female companion a note from time to time in a place where she can will find it, expressing how much you value the relationship...this directly fulfills a desire that women have. The notes will be saved, treasured even. (after nearly 25 years of marriage, I have learned a couple things about women. ;)

Tamsin: Why don't you try telling her, face to face? She'll like that even better :-)

who said not to? and there is a definite advantage to physical artifacts...they last over time...an archive of love letters spanning 30 years is quite a treasure...face to face is ephermeral.

Rich: It could be 'and', rather than 'or'.



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