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Rank - worldwide comparison
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Table of equivalences between ranking systems

World-wide-valid ranks do not exist, but this table of approx rank equivalences. Please edit it, if you have more accurate information than currently presented in this table.

The table starts with beginners and ends with amateur experts.

evpsych: What's the +/- on this? I was under the impression that a 10k nngs is about 17k igs or thereabouts. This table says 10k=10k. +/- 4 stones?

 Go associations                      | Go servers
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 AGA   CHINA  EUROPE   JAPAN   KOREA  | NNGS  IGS  DGS  KGS
 ---   -----  ------   -----   -----  | ----  ---  ---  ---
 26K    29K     28K     25K    32Gup  |   ?   (1)  28K   ?
 25K    28K     27K     24K    31Gup  |   ?   (1)  27K   ?
 24K    27K     26K     23K    30Gup  |   ?   (1)  26K   ?
 23K    26K     25K     22K    29Gup  |   ?   28K  25K   ?
 22K    25K     24K     21K    28Gup  |   ?   28K  24K   ?
 21K    24K     23K     20K    27Gup  |   ?   27K  23K   ?
 20K    23K     22K     19K    26Gup  |   ?   27K  22K   ?
 19K    22K     21K     18K    25Gup  |  20K  26K  21K   ?
 18K    21K     20K     17K    24Gup  |  19K  25K  20K  18K
 18K    21K     20K     17K    24Gup  |  19K  24K  20K  18K
 17K    20K     19K     16K    23Gup  |  18K  23K  19K  18K
 16K    19K     18K     15K    22Gup  |  17K  22K  18K  17K
 16K    19K     18K     15K    22Gup  |  17K  21K  18K  16K
 15K    18K     17K     14K    21Gup  |  16K  20K  17K  15K
 14K    17K     16K     13K    20Gup  |  15K  19K  16K  14K
 13K    16K     15K     12K    19Gup  |  14K  18K  15K  13K
 12K    15K     14K     11K    18Gup  |  13K  17K  14K  12K
 12K    15K     14K     11K    18Gup  |  13K  16K  14K  12K
 11K    14K     13K     10K    17Gup  |  12K  15K  13K  11K
 10K    13K     12K      9K    16Gup  |  11K  14K  12K  10K
  9K    12K     11K      8K    15Gup  |  10K  13K  11K   9K
  8K    11K     10K      7K    14Gup  |   9K  12K  10K   8K
  8K    11K     10K      7K    14Gup  |   9K  11K  10K   8K
  7K    10K      9K      6K    13Gup  |   8K  10K   9K   7K
  6K     9K      8K      5K    12Gup  |   7K   9K   9K   6K
  6K     9K      8K      5K    12Gup  |   7K   8K   9K   6K
  5K     8K      7K      4K    11Gup  |   6K   7K   7K   5K
  4K     7K      6K      3K    10Gup  |   5K   6K   6K   4K
  3K     6K      5K      2K     9Gup  |   4K   5K   5K   3K
  2K     5K      4K      1K     8Gup  |   3K   4K   4K   2K
  1K     4K      3K     *1D     7Gup  |   2K   3K   3K   1K
 *1D     3K      2K      2D     6Gup  |   1K   2K   2K  *1D
  2D     2K      1K      3D     5Gup  |  *1D   1K   1K   2D
  3D     1K     *1D      4D     4Gup  |   2D  *1D  *1D   3D
  4D    *1D      2D    4-5D     3Gup  |   3D   2D   2D   4D
  5D     2D      3D    5-6D     2Gup  |   4D   3D   3D   5D
  6D     3D      4D    6-7D     1Gup  |   5D   4D   4D   6D

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Notes

  • A European 7D grade is believed to be approx equivalent to a professional 1D grade.
  • (1) IGS uses below 28k for "not rated" users and guest logins.
  • For rank translations between AGA, China, Europe, Japan, Korea, IGS, NNGS, DGS and IYT see function "convert_to_rating()" in [ext] DGS server source code. ErikO: The conversions in "convert_to_rating()" are in most cases taken directly from the rank translation table at NNGS (type help rank).

Alex Weldon: I don't believe the ranks given for Gup are accurate; Koreans tell me that nowadays, you go 1 through 7 dan after passing 1 Gup. Perhaps it's been adjusted to match the kyu system


Most online Korean Go servers rankings are inflated by as high as 10~5rankings. However if you play at a Korean club or academy the ranking with an instructor who gives out the rankings it is almost similiar as the table


(July 24 2003) Isn't an update of this list needed now that NNGS has raised rankings by 2 stones? (see help new-ratings on NNGS).

StormCrow: Persuant to the above comment and the bumps in the ranking graphs on NNGS, I've updated the table by increasing all the NNGS rankings by 2 stones.


Alex Weldon: I think either the rankings for KGS, or those for IGS, as given above, are wrong. I was 5k* IGS many months ago, then stopped playing and starting playing on KGS. I lost my first few games, and my rating actually ended up in the low double-digits. I was underrated for sure, and quickly improved back up, but progress has slowed down and I'm still only 6k on KGS (still slightly underrated, since I win about 70% of my games). Meanwhile, my actual skill has improved, so when I decided to try playing on IGS again today, I demolished all my 5k* opponents. So, although the table above shows that KGS ratings are inflated relative to IGS, I think one or the other server must have changed their system, because it seems to be the other way around in my experience.

On the other hand, it may just be a difference in style... maybe my style works better against IGS players. Who knows?

UrbanNilsson: According to the KGS club Tenuki at [ext] http://www.abstractboardgames.com/kgs/add.php, the ranking difference between EGF and KGS is the other way around. They say that 20k KGS is equal to 15k in Sweden (and Swedish ranking is within a third of a stone of EGF's according to [ext] http://www.european-go.org/rating/rgdrep.html)

HolIgor: This may be true about the double digit kyu range. Novices on the servers honestly start at 30k and then painfully climb up the ladders fighting with the similar players. Their rating usually lags behind their real strength. In real life promotions happen very fast depending on the results of the tournaments or when stronger players feel that they have to decrease the handicap in order to have a chance of winning. Yet at the level of single digit kyus and dans the table is in my opinion quite correct.


May I remind you that, AGA and EGF rankings are based on wins and losses. Korean, Japanese, and Chinese rankings are based on skills and concepts learned.

Can't agree; Japanese rankings (at least) are based exactly on your relative ranking in whatever Go club you play in (and therefore vary considerably from person to person/club to club). This is purely on wins and losses. -- DaveSigaty

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I am KGS 3k and German 1k and I know many other people where it is this way and not as shown in the table. -- benni

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I am KGS 2k and AGA 1d, I also just played (apparently) a Korean 16 kyu (or Gup I'm not sure, he said kyu) who was clearly about two stones stronger... I was floored, are koreans THAT much stronger? ---AdHoc?

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I believe that the table may have to be changed; recently DGS has been changed so it is impossible to go under 30 kyu. (Before, the minimum was 40 kyu.) Has this been adjusted? Or have I been asleep? ---DanielB

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As far as I know, official EGF ratings start with 20k, not 28k. --gimpf

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I'm 15k in kgs 18 in igs and 18 in dashen... is it possible?---me



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