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BQM123
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Difficulty: Advanced
Keywords: Joseki, Question
Below are some diagrams and explanations copied from 44PointLowApproachTwoSpaceHighPincerWithSideStone, followed by a question about follow-up play. --SnotNose
The usual way for White to play is the immediate 3-3 invasion.
This is the modern line.
SnotNose: I've been avoiding this modern line only because I'm not sure what to do with
I've seen it said that moving out immediately with HolIgor: There is a proverb that strong players play straight and weak players play diagonals. Not to take it literally but I'd prefer a straight move. Black has a small moyo on the left. On the right Black has two weak stones on the fourth line with an open skirt. White has to attack those two stones and as Black is busy defending them, the moyo would be erased. White can die as well; as in yesterday's game between Cho U and O Meien.
Black has some weak points on both sides. I think I'd try it one of these days.
SnotNose: Fascinating! If ever I get the courage to try this, I will not play diagonally but follow the preceding diagram. Still, I'd feel better with a few larger examples as models. I'll keep an eye out in pro games (not having access to GoBase (long story, and not interesting either), I can't do a search--but I do review pro games and this is bound to come up eventually). Thanks to contributors!
DJ: I have two questions here.
SnotNose: See ThePowerOfTheStarPoint. No further discussion followed this comment, however. Hence, my BQM. (I'm going to double check tonight that the word "immediately" was used or implied. But that was my recollection. Had it implied moving out "at some point later after conditions were right" I might not have been so puzzled. Needless to say, since there was no further comment, it leaves an awful lot to the imagination.)
SnotNose: I checked the text of ThePowerOfTheStarPoint and "immediately" is the word used. Moreover, it is written that the prospect of White moving out immediately is "ominous" for Black. Sort of makes it sound like any other move would be slack. Anyway, for the sake of discussion, suppose we assume that the board is as follows.
DJ: Second, If I want to attack the two marked black stones, I'd rather push downward, following a famous proverb, as in the diagram below. In HolIgor diagram above the white stones have reinforced the "attacked" black stones and float in a sea of black more than ever...
unkx80: Besides that, how would you answer DJ: Bearing in mind Charles' and my comment just above, probably as in the diagram below (doesn't a look like a useful cutting point?). It still seems better to me than HolIgor proposal above...
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