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On this page you can share and discuss your thoughts about SL's technical features. An index for discussions on other topics is at the Library Lobby. 2003 November 10 Bill: Now that we can return to the text from footnotes by clicking the bracketed number of the footnote, I tried the following idea, and it works. :-) For extended footnotes you can flank the note with bracketed numbers. That way you can return from either end of the footnote. Example: Get Strong At Joseki Problem Discussion #4 2003 November 4 SnotNose: When adding comments to pages, are there tricks people have for remembering or quickly finding the names of other pages so as to include them as links? The best way I know how to do this is to open a new browser and look for the page (sometimes using the search function). One way to make this easier is if there were a quick search-like function on the edit page. It would need to return results right in the edit page and not mess up the edits already done. (Is this clear or too vague?)
Arno: I have been thinking about that already. I'd like to have something like this myself.
Another editting request: could the edit window on the edit page be larger? It barely fits a 19x19 and once a few comments are added I have to scroll back and forth to see the diagram. (I guess I could do the edits in my own editor and copy over when I'm done, but I probably won't bother.)
Arno: see UserPreferences "Size of text area for editing".
SnotNose: Thanks for the tip.
2003 November 2 Hikaru79: How come there is no Text Formatting Rule to make text and diagrams centered? I have found dozens of cases where this would be extremely useful. Is it because the Wiki engine does not support this, and it would be extremely hard to add the feature, or is there some disciplinary issue with it? :) Thanks in advance. (Sebastian:) Once you start implementing html functionality, it would be hard to determine where to stop. Why not right-aligned? Why no aligned diagrams (a request I supported earlier)? Why no different font sizes and colors? Why no tables? What you can do on a wiki is necessarily always a compromise. FHayashi had a point when he said we should focus on the content. Arno: can you name some examples, where having centered text is absolutely necessary? Wiki syntax does not support all HTML syntax on purpose, because of simplicity. 2003 November 1 Bill: Request: Let the creator of a page edit the title. Why not? :-) Darron Shaffer: This might be problematic if there are links to the page that might be broken. Bill: Of course. However, renaming is not allowed, even if the page has just been created and there is only one link. I know that you can copy the contents of the page, create a new one, and paste the contents there. However, it may be easier and less error-prone simply to edit the title and repair the links. Sometimes you create a page, and as you are writing it, you realize that a different title would be better. Sometimes it only becomes clear later that you want a different title. For instance, when I created the Infinitesimals and Numbers pages, I did not envision that a lot of discussion about Combinatorial Game Theory would ensue. If I had, I would have named my original pages Go Infinitesimals and Go Numbers or the like and devoted Infinitesimals and Numbers to the theory alone, leaving the other pages for the application to go. That would have been a clearer structure. To make such changes now would be a large job. However, I think it would be easier if I could do some renaming. Charles Renaming is restricted to Librarian-status people - presumably because sorting out the backlinks needs to be done and requires a responsible attitude. Bill, if you have a list of pages to rename I'll do it for you. Or you could apply for the step up to Librarian, with a request to Arno and Morten (which I suppose should be done off-site by email).
Bill: I'm taking a look at the links to see which ones should refer to CGT infinitesimals and numbers and which to infinitesimals and numbers in chilled go. Then maybe I'll ask you to do that, Charles. Or maybe I can handle it myself by copying. Thanks.
Bill: What if the creator could rename the page if it had only one link? As a rule, that would be the one she used to create the page in the first place. That would make the job of creating pages a little easier. Power to the people! I did a little experiment and found out that copying a whole page can be done with little chance of error by going to the edit page, putting the cursor inside the edit window, clicking on the edit tab of the browser (IE), and clicking Select all, then Copy. (When I first tried that, some years ago, I did not know about placing the cursor inside the edit window, and selected the whole edit page.) That makes it easier to create a new page and transfer the contents of the old page to it. :-) Arno: I think that renaming pages is a sensitive function: for one thing, the action is (currently) not archived anywhere and it does not show up anywhere, thus a vandal could create havoc quite easily. But even well meaning users could do quite some damage by renaming pages that are linked from the outside. One incident of that was BasicRulesOfGo getting renamed to RulesOfGoIntroductory, not taking into account that there are at least 20 webpages out there directly linking to that page. One could go as far as saying that renaming is not a wiki thing. I like the idea that pages here have a "permanent" name and URL. Apart from typos I don't think that there is much need for renaming. 2003 October 30 SnotNose: I'm sure this has been discussed before so perhaps someone can just point me to the relevant page(s).
Charles Not recently
What is the justification for separating games and non-games into two different recent changes lists? There aren't very many games and the activity is not so much (maybe 3-5 updates per day). I never bothered to look at the games in the past (in part but not entirely due to the fact that they're listed in a separate place!) but now that I'm involved in one I have to look at both sets of recent changes. (Yes, I know there is a full recent changes page but that format is not to my liking. I like the recent changes format better.) So, could these two be combined. Or, could a separate consolodated recent changes page be made? Is there really a need to keep these separated? (Just point me to the prior discussion of this, if there is one.)
Charles It was before I was posting here. When people were enthusiastically playing rengo, the changes might have dominated RecentChanges. Now there is another clear reason, to have a list of RecentChangesGames that goes back much further by date. Arno suggested some sort of merge, a little while ago.
SnotNose: I'd like to here Arno's suggestion again. What I propose is a "consolidated recent changes" page that combines "recent changes" (which might be renamed "non-game recent changes" and the "games recent changes". The look-back could be 3-5 days (I personally don't care, so long as it is longer than a typical weekend). The current recent changes <yikes, what a phrase!> pages (possibly renamed) could remain. Those who prefer those can use them. Those that would prefer a consolidated page could use that one.
(Sebastian:) How about a compromise: The RecentChanges page could include just one line per game, with the last change. This would allow for Rengo without cluttering the page. Better yet: If we had a Watchlist functionality, it could simply include only those games that are on the watchlist. SnotNose: All fine ideas as far as I am concerned. I wasn't aware compromise was needed (yet) because I haven't seen anyone arguing strongly for separation of recent changes (though this must have been a discussion long ago and the "pro-separatist" forces won :) Arno: I think it is necessary to redo RecentChanges - it should become a dynamic generated page, and not be a wiki page any longer. That change will take some time, as RecentChanges is the page with most hits on SL and I don't want to have a slow page generation bogging down our server. So it needs some tuning and testing first. Feature request(Sebastian:) Is there a way to separate one's editing changes from contributing changes in the recent changes list? Scenario: Charles just moved a chunk from MetaDiscussion to a new page called EditingFreedomDiscussion. After he saved it, he re-edited it. A RecentChangesJunkie such as me looks in recent changes, and misses Charles' change, because it doesn't appear as a change. Request: When a user re-edits a page, leave the "This is just a minor edit" box checked. This would express the current functionality that it is not listed seperately in RecentChanges. If user wants it to appear, he simply unchecks it. SnotNose: I guess it depends which default you prefer. I'd rather see minor changes show up in Recent Changes than to risk missing something big. The suggested feature request errs the other way. You might miss something big and you'd never notice lots of small stuff. I like it the way it is. One suggestion would be to self-police this. If you notice someone making itty-bitty changes that don't affect content (e.g., spelling, punctuation) but they are not checking "minor edit" you could politely remind them to use the checkbox next time. (Sebastian:) I think this is a misunderstanding. The default behaviour would stay the same. I don't want to change the policy - I too, like it the way it is. My request concerns functionality. It would offer an option which currently doesn't exist: An editor gets a chance to highlight his/her changes if he/she chooses to do so. SnotNose: Yes, I believe it is a misunderstanding. In fact, I misunderstood the functionality. Now that you explained it, I agree with you. I've seen the phenomenon you describe. You're asking for the minor edit checkbox to be more honest. It should show up as checked when that is what will happen when you re-edit, right? I think an even better solution (if possible) is to have the new changes appear in the recent changes log just as if a different user had editted it. I have a vague sense this isn't possible for some technical reason (I think this was discussed a while back). If that is true, then your idea is the next best. (Sebastian:) Yes, "the minor edit checkbox to be more honest" is a good way to put it. So we basically agree. Between the two solutions, however, I would still keep the default behaviour as it is. I, for one, usually look at my change and very often see that I need to do some minor changes only then. (Yes, I know, there's a preview button, too.) The good thing about the current behaviour of not showing re-edits by default is that normally (i.e. except for the new page scenario described above) it doesn't matter if it really was a minor or major edit: The diff will show both anyway, so normally they don't escape the RecentChangesJunkies' scrutiny. Arno: I like the idea of providing a summary field for the change better. Then people can describe in one line what their change was all about. 2003 October 29 wms: I've seen several cases where two changes happen one right after the other, by different people, and the second undoes what the first had done. It seems that while you are editing the page, if somebody else does a commit, then your commit will erase theirs with no warning. Am I right? Or were people doing this on purpose? If I am right, how about tagging each edit with the page version used as the source, and if on commit the page version is later, giving a warning, similar to how Bugzilla works? Arno: Actually the wiki prevents what you are describing and does exactly what you suggest. If two people edit the same page (starting from the same version) then one of them saves the page, the second one can no longer save the page and gets an error instead ("Problem while updating ..."). It looks to me like people are doing this on purpose. Can you name examples where it looks like an error by the wiki engine and not like intentional undo? 2003 October 25 HolIgor: Is it possible to indent some of then diagrams a little? I fell that shifting variations a little bit to the right with respect to the main line would be most aestetic and semantic, whatever. (Sebastian:) Good idea. I sometimes wanted this for diagrams that appear in indented text. Ideally, it would support all levels of ;: Arno: ;: is not the way to do it. The HTML spec is very clear on it that one should not use <dl> lists (;:) or <blockquote> or something similar for indention. The only correct way to indent is using CSS. This is what ">" does. I have been thinking about ">" being more generic so that it can be used in front of any other syntax. It is on my todo list but my job keeps me quite busy at the moment, so I don't know when I will add it. 2003 October 24 Nico: Just a probably dumb question to native speakers: what is the semantic relationship between guinea pigs and technical feedback? Charles Guinea pigs have been used in experiments; whence in English 'to be a guinea pig' means to be subjected to an experiment. In the early days of SL, I'm told, some testers were used; so their feedback comments became this page. 2003 October 20 War Eagle: I notice double black lines in some diagrams. Every fourth line on the Goban is double width. The first two diagrams on 44PointLowApproachOneSpaceLowPincerUpperContact shows the problem most clearly. Happens in both IE and Netscape.
Arno: sorry, I cannot verify this. Does anybody else see this? Are you sure that this is not an optical illusion?
Morten: I think that this depends on a local setting/hardware. The only time I've seen it is with Opera, which allows you to zoom in/out on pages, if you zoom 'in' to e.g. 110% of normal size...
Robert Pauli: Rimmed board is ok. Thanks, Arno. (Tried it out in LostBoardEdge.) Bill: Good idea, Arno! Thanks. :-) Now, can you make the edge lines a little thicker?
Arno: will do so.
(Sebastian:) This discussion about diagram display is spread over several places in this document (today, October 15, Oct 10, Oct 6), which clouds the fact that there is already a dedicated page - LostBoardEdge. This complicates any topical discussion on this page. Wouldn't it be nice if this page were organized thematically, like KGS Feedback?? Charles The dedicated page is hardly necessary. I mean, technical issues are secondary to SL. (Sebastian:) No fair! Those of us who are not as good in Go need some playground, beyond the SandBox, too. :->
Robert Pauli: At the time I set up the page in question,
Charles, BugReport was so full I couldn't add anything,
and I didn't dare to delete something :-) Charles I didn't mean that technical discussion isn't good; more that when issues are resolved, permanent pages about them aren't required (better some archive). (Sebastian:) The problem I see is that we now only have the archive, and it contains a hodge podge of resolved and unresolved issues. This suffocates the good ideas that are buried in the archives. 2003 October 19 gimpf: Just had an idea about automatically linking footnotes in both directions - would be useful sometimes to jump easily back to the text. dnerra: I had thought about that, too. It would be useful. 2003 October 17 Tim Hunt: Thinking about Page Churn, how about adding a "page of the day" link to Recent Changes that is the page that was edited least recently at midnight at the start of that day. This could go just under the date heading, or at the end of the list of changes that day. (P.S. I hope that this is the right place to raise this sort of thing.) Charles Hi Tim! This could also be at Metadiscussion. We do need ideas to knead SL. I'm finding UndefinedPages a bit dispiriting too, these days: it seems to have run ahead of all reasonable chance of keeping things moving at natural growth points. 2003 October 15 Robert Pauli: How about this compromise, Arno: boards with curved corners ? Image size stays the same, and board edge is clear even if filled. Arno: I have added a darker rim instead. Feedback? Sebastian: Is this wrt LostBoardEdge ? I don't see a difference in the display.
Arno: only new diagrams are affected. The old ones remain the same.
I see - there's a thin black line. This is subtle, but it does the trick. Looks good! So the following wish is not necessary anymore, although it would still be nice to have.
BTW, I like the idea of round corners. As simple and powerful modification of this idea could be: Define triangular empty fields, so a user can draw nice, non-rectangular borders. If we e.g. defined ` = upper right is board, lower left is white ´ = upper left is board, lower right is white / = lower right is board, upper left is white \ = lower left is board, upper right is white Then users could define elegant diagrams like this . . . . \ . . . . . \ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ´ . . . . ´ 2003 October 12
unkx80: The links under "Aliases (info)" appear broken to IE, for example, " Arno: fixed. unkx80: Thank you. 2003 October 10 (Discussion between Robert Pauli and Arno deleted here because it is already duplicated on LostBoardEdge) 2003 October 8 Robert Pauli: Intimidating, indeed, Arno, but couldn't at least freshly generated images benefit? Arno: no. The new images would have a different size (larger, to show what's beyond the border). Quote: Otherwise I would have to drop the image size attributes again and the clickable image maps would be slightly off the mark too. Sebastian Wish: double-digit stone numbers in diagrams and texts. Since diagrams use two characters per field this could be realized by entering "10".."99". "00" could mean "00" or "100", I would vote for the former. Maybe "10" could be used for "100". Stefan: I'd vote for the latter, although squeezing three digits in may be a challenge. I'd like the consistency with Go World and other publications, where you regularly see 100 but never 0. If you use 10 for 100, what would you use for 10? Sebastian: Would you display move #200 as "100", then, as well? Arno: I'm still opposed to that feature. I don't know about you, but for me reading some 50 move diagram is next to impossible. I like the 10 move limit as the resulting diagrams are easy to read. I have yet to see hard evidence why one would need >10 moves in a diagram. Sebastian: I agree that it's hard to read and that it's desirable to have less on a diagram. For me, even 10 moves are not easy to read. However, there are two reasons why I asked for it:
2003 October 6 Robert Pauli: Just not to get lost, I wasn't talking about some browser failure, I was/am pointing to a logical problem, creating ambiguity: Lost Board Edge . . . Arno: I understand the problem, but the fix (slightly larger images to show the "rim") would mean recreating all >11000 images, as otherwise I would have to drop the image size attributes again and the clickable image maps would be slightly off the mark too. The work/benefit ratio makes this a low priority todo item. dnerra: When I make two edits in a row to a page, RecentChanges references the 2nd edit, instead of the cumulative diff as (probably?) intended. See my change to my home page today. Arno: That's because you edited your page from two different IP addresses (see history of your page). The "save page function" treats you as two different users, thus two versions where created. OTOH the RecentChanges page only knows you by your username and thus treats it like two successive changes by one user and deletes the previous reference. Not nice, but not harmful either. Low priority. dnerra: Thx for analyzing this, I will make sure not to log-off/log-on again in between two edits now. Of course, I agree about the priority. 2003 October 5 Froese?: The image size of diagrams is sometimes wrong (i.e. in BasicInstinct). unkx80: These apply to diagrams generated before Arno changed servers, because the two servers generated diagrams slightly differently. By changing the diagrams ever so slightly to force the server to regenerate the diagrams, this problem can be solved. 2003 October 2 Robert Pauli: I'd like to see if the diagram edge is the board edge or not, even in case the diagram edge happens to be filled with stones. (Lost Board Edge ... - and thank you, unkx80) dnerra: Thanks for adding images sizes to the diagrams Arno -- it also makes rendering much smoother and faster (for me with konqueror). Hu: It will help almost every single browser to layout the page without a lot of jiggling. Thanks! unkx80: I guess this helps IE users solve the oft-quoted complaint of displaying only part of the diagrams. Thanks. =) 2003 October 1 unkx80: Someone complained on Lost Board Edge that he cannot add to this page (Guinea Pigs' Feedback), probably because this page is getting too long for his browser to handle, so I have arbitrarily deleted all contents before July 1. Please fell free to revive the contents if you see fit. Fhayashi: Regarding Generate diagram from SGF, would it be possible to make it diagram out more than 10 moves? The output would be multiple diagrams one below the other. Would massively simplify entering game data. But then again, this may result in increased number of games entered into SL, which I'm not sure is good... Arno: putting on my todo list, although it will take more than 5 minutes to add. Sebastian Actually, this would be lesser priority if we had double-digit stone numbers. 2003 September 30 Tim Hunt: On Wiki News, Arno says "The diff page sports some new links (e.g. prev/next) which should make it more user friendly. I think you will like it if you are a RecentChanges junkie and/or regular contributor." I think that prev/next links are the wrong way round. If I am looking at the diff between versions 32 and 33, and I click next diff, I expect to see the diff between versions 33 and 34, but that is not what you get. Is it just me who is peculiar? or should it be changed?
Deebster: Yes, I agree. 'Next' would imply that you see the next edit made to the page.
Arno: changed labels for links. 2003 September 26 Fhayashi: Does Generate diagram from SGF have problems with kos? It seemed to make some odd moves near the end of one of my games... I'll have to check the sgf, but it seemed to have made a mistake. Arno: I am not aware of such a problem. If there is one, just send me your SGF and I'll fix the bug. Fhayashi: I was able to recreate the mistake. The .sgf file is the one from my game on Reference Games. If you load it in the diagram generator, and tell it to generate 8 moves starting from 301, it appears to mess up the final "take ko, pass, fill ko, pass, pass" ending. Instead of filling the ko, the move was played at a silly spot in the upper left of the board. Arno: fixed. It was a problem with pass moves. 2003 September 16 AshleyF: It's pretty difficult to repro but it does look like it's due to the diagram images not having any width or height attributes. It causes the page to reflow once the images come down and the size becomes known. It doesn't repro once the images are cached of course (that's why refresh fixes it) and on a fast enough connection it doesn't seem to be a problem. It is certainly an IE bug and leaving off those attributes is certainly valid HTML but adding them would speed up rendering of the page a bit and, I think, fix the issue. Bill: Well, it's happened again. I'm losing characters on the right margin of Why is this not a star point joseki. <sigh> BobMcGuigan: Me, too.
Arno: I don't think that there is anything I can do about it. The HTML of SL is actually rather simple. Furthermore Bill: Fixed. :-) I took this long "word" away from the right side of the diagram. 44PointOneSpaceLowPincerOnePointJump. Bob: That fixed it for me, too. From what was said above I gather this may be related to something else that occasionally happens to me. Sometimes when I go to a page a full size diagram only shows a few lines on the left, not the whole board. Refreshing always fixes this so I haven't mentioned it before this. Arno: added height&width attributes to diagrams. 2003 September 14 Charles My IP number has been appearing reversed in FullRecentChanges. This oddity might not be worth mentioning - but I've had difficulty editing and then saving SL pages in recent days, and have no explanation. (Problem apparently lifted 16 September - hope it was just a bad patch for NTL.) Arno: do you still experience this problem? 2003 September 5 Vesa How about putting the link to User Preferences below the Username in the navigation bar? I've been using at least three different computers to enter Sensei's and it is really hard to find how to login/register/set cookies before editing a particular page. Deebster: I've put UserPreferences in my SL bookmarks, but obviously it doesn't show there until you're already logged in... Arno: like Deebster I suggest putting the link in your SL bookmarks. Alternatively (if you have not yet set the preferences) I have linked the '-' (which indicates that no name has been set) to UserPreferences. 2003 September 3 kokiri My browser seems to have problems when there is text next to a diagram. It often only shows the leftmost 2 lines of the diagram and then the text. I can get the diagram up properly by hitting the edit button and then hitting the browser's back button to return to the page, but this is not ideal and i worry about creating countless fake 'edits'. I looked about but couldn't see any other mention of a similar problem- is there any way to fix this? unkx80: I encounter this in IE too. I just hit the Refresh button. Deebster: Yup, I also get that in IE occasionally. I just full-screen and back (F11). I used to assume the problem was that images didn't have width and height attributes set, but looking at the html I find that they do. Whatever, it's an Internet Explorer bug. kokiri Thanks Nico: Is it just me or have the newly edited diagrams bigger stones on both Mozilla and IE browsers (stones are now in contact one another and look less smooth)? Ex: the Two-stage snapback diagram in Cutting seki. Stefan: They still look the same in my (IE) browser. Arno: Nico, you are right. Less smooth is (I think) an illusion. But the stones are bigger although I did not change my code. It seems that the PHP graphics library (GD) decided to draw circles a little bit different now. But it doesn't look too bad, does it? Nico: The anti-aliasing effect looks different, but of course it doesn't look bad at all. I was just pointing out we now have 2 slightly different kind of diagrams altogether. Whether something should/can be done is left to other deshi's opinions. 2003 September 2 Nico: Is there any way to get more than 5 days history in the RecentChanges? I've got more than 3 weeks off to catch up! Arno: currently there is no other way. RecentChanges is just a simple wiki page itself that gets pruned from time to time. A workaround for your problem is using AdvancedFindPage searching for pages "last modified" "after" e.g. 2003-08-01 and sorting the search results by date. dnerra: Alternatively, you can click on "Page info & history" of RecentChanges and view the older versions. 2003 August 26 DougRidgway: Indentation with > doesn't work near diagrams. See my go blog or the Sandbox (near the three headed dragon) for examples. Looks like something related has already been mentioned (31 July). Maybe I'll try the workaround. Thanks! 2003 August 17 Stefan: When I block an IP address (guess which one), I get en error message stating that the address cannot be blocked and is probably blocked already. It doesn't appear in the list though. Arno: fixed. Happened when there was an expired block of the same IP address in the database. 2003 August 10
unkx80: Add "Page info & history" into User Preferences, then go to Wiki Fatal Error No pagename passed into pageinfo Small bug here that could be fixed? Thanks. Arno: fixed. 2003 July 31 Frs: Using ">" indents nearby a diagram spoils SL's layout. (See 13X9Game01; nearby move 27.) Can you please bugfix it? Thank you! Arno: that's because the browser does not move a <div> section below a floating table. Any idea how to solve this? I'd rather not do a <br clear=all> before every indented line. Other suggestions? p.s. workaround: add the "super"-linebreak '% % % %' in front of the indented area. 2003 July 28 Confused: I'm a little confused about how RecentChanges and FullRecentChanges work. Could someone please explain to, why the recent changes to the Handicap page show up this way:
* (diff [+0]) ..... 213.67.171.45 which indicates that the page has been altered by BillSpight and someone from 213.67.171.45. This is also confirmed by the page history, which gives July 27, 2003 - 20:25 as the date of the changes by 213.67.171.45. However, the edits done by 213.67.171.45 do not appear on the FullRecentChanges. How can this happen? Charles I think 'Full' relates to the inclusion of minor edits. Where a page is edited several times in one day, only the final edit may appear in the FullRecentChanges. Arno: Charles is right. 2003 July 25 Nacho: Is this the place for feature requests? If not, please forgive me (and let me know for next time :)). Anyway, I think it would be nice for us Recent Changes Junkies to have the exact time of a change in the Recent Changes page. I keep forgetting which was the last version of a page I saw, and end up reading the same things again and again... Thanks! Arno: I solve this problem by seeing which links I have visited and which ones are not visited yet. I feel adding the time would add too much clutter to the page. How do others feel about this? 2003 July 23 MarkD: Jason: You can add a link to your KGS rank graph or import it as an image into your homepage at SL. As far as I know there is no way to import other KGS information. That's not SLs fault, but KGS has no interface to support that data export. JasonD: Err, I've just got a question, and this seems to be the place to post it. Forgive me if its out-of-place. Anyhoo, is it possible for me to have my KGS player information directly imported into my SL page? It'd be nice if such dynamic features were there. I'm thinking not, but thought I'd ask. Thanks. --JasonD Bill: With the IE browser, I notice that the seki page text runs off the page to the right, with no slider, so I can't see the final few characters of each line. Other pages do not seem to act like that.
Bill: Possibly. I went there again, with the same result, but removing a carriage return or two in the first couple of lines seemed to do the trick. 2003 July 20
AshleyF Just noticed that character entities don't work within anchors. As in: Arno: true. Actually it would be kind of a hassle to add this to the code. Is this bug a problem? 2003 July 16
Froese?: I've made a new set of the stone inline-images. The originals looks like this
I've found no way to upload the set via the Wiki. It would be nice if someone could pick them from here Arno: uploaded - it took me some time, because I was busy&lazy at the same time during the last month. Froese?: Thank you. 2003 July 11 Deebster: When viewing recent changes, I prefer to read through them in an incremental order, as I suspect many do (as opposed to just reading the final page). Two small requests: Could the (new) text link to SomePage:v1 please?
Arno: done.
Also, when viewing a previous version, could there be a link to the current version? At the moment, the easiest way to do this is to follow the title link (?related=SomePage) and then using the link in "See also: page info and history of SomePage". Judging by how long the ?related pages take to load, they are fairly cpu-intensive, but it's easier for (us lazy) users than editing the url. unkx80: On a similar note, can I ask for the "Page Info" page to be made accessible from the page itself, rather than having to load the "Related Pages" first? Thank you.
Arno: it is already: see the bottom of the page. Alternatively see footnote 5 of UserPreferences (this is new).
July 1, 2003 Hu: I propose that a comment format, visible only when the page is edited, be introduced into Sensei's Library and would like to read discussion about it. When editing a page, I sometimes want to leave a note to the deshis about my reasoning for doing something. To leave a Messages to People Currently Present in the Library is often overkill, and that page could easily get bogged down with such messages as SL grows. For example, there was an editorial comment on the new William Shubert page about free software (or not). Since this had been addressed on the client page, I deleted it. I would have liked to be able to leave a brief note there saying that. In a few cases, I have left a note on a page in the text, including a request to remove the note when it has been read. A comment would be more graceful and just as effective for a deshi. -- Hu
David: I have also wanted to be able to put comments in pages.
Wikipedia seems to address this with
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If comments are adopted, they should be kept simple, for the sake of
the editors and developers of this wiki. I propose that a comment be
any line that starts with a single '%' (it must be only one '%' to
keep from interfering with the line break syntax).
Hu, I understand your edit. I
added the "but non-free"
comment only to complement the "and Free" comment in the
previous version. You are right that this
is discussed sufficiently on the referenced pages, so I have removed
the original comment also.
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