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Tartrate Number
Go players can brag about their Shusaku Number. KGS players can brag about their tartrate numbers. tartrate has a tartrate number of 0. If you have played a game with tartrate, your tartrate number is 1. If you have played a game with someone whose number is 1, your number is 2, and so on. What's your tartrate number? (Note: You must have played someone who played tartrate *after* they played tartrate to actually get a tartrate number. If you play someone who then later plays tartrate, you will not get a tartrate number that way). Dieter: Why is that ? Dansc: I really don't understand this, either...
The idea comes from the famous mathematician, Paul Erdös (air-dish). If you wrote a paper with Erdös, your Erdös number was one. see Dieter: That we understand. In fact I brought the idea to Go myself, creating the Shusaku number. It's the note we don't understand. Velobici: The note above means that Tartrate numbers are not retroactive. For example, if Jim plays Bob and then at a later time Bob plays Tartrate, Jim does not have a Tartrate number. Jim must play Bob again in order to get a Tartrate number of 2 by playing Bob. Of course, Jim is not limited to playing Bob; Jim could even play Tartrate himself. Dieter: Definitely I am not making myself very clear, although it really doesn't matter: it was just a silly question on a silly subject. I obviously understand the mechanism, but I do not see why it is more valuable to play someone after he has played tartrate than before. If this is also the way the Erdos number works, then I understand it is mere transposition of the mechanism but I still don't see the point. Velobici: Perhaps the matter is one of prominence. Once a mathematician has co-authored a paper with Paul Erdös, he has achieved a certain level of prominence. Before that, he's just another doctor of mathematics. So co-authoring a paper with him after he gets his Erdös number is more prestigious that co-authoring with him before that. But this is just rampant speculation on my part ;).
EscapeGoat?: My understanding is that this is actually not a requirement of Erdös numbers. In other words if A writes a paper with B, and later B writes a paper with Erdös, A now has an Erdös number of 2. I think my feeling is confirmed by the explaination on I've managed to get a tartrate number of two. This means the only way for me to advance is to now play tartrate. Likely? Well, I *do* have a tartrate number of 2 :) tartrate (0) - breakfast (1) - taiji (2). tartrate (0) - Solaris (1) - taiji (2). I suggest kyu players look down TheCaptain's path, while high dans might look down Galileo's games for an answer. Heh, that may not be necessary. ZeroKun played an even game with tartrate. He sure put up a good fight. :-) --BlueWyvern If playing people before they actually played tartrate was allowed, I'd have a tartrate number of 2, since I played ZeroKun... But since it doesn't work, I guess I'll have to do some reasearch... Maybe my tartrate number is infinite(haven't played anyone who has a tartrate number of his own), who knows... Migeru: Rats! I played Solaris at 10 am on April 14, and he played Tartrate at 9pm on the same day! There goes my Tartrate number of 2... FFLaguna: I have a Tartrate Number of 2, thanks to ZeroKun. ^.^ Dansc: I think my Tartrate Number is 3. tartrate (0) - Galileo (1) - Tsurukame (2) - Dansc (3) IanVanSice : i think everyone has a tartrate number of 2 or 3, because of zerokun, i know i do. :) cubyrop : Don't forget that a whole gaggle of kyu-level players, myself included, played tartrate in a simul game. If you don't count that game, then bear in mind that it's arguably as difficult to get a game with ZeroKun as it is with Tartrate ;) FFLaguna: Lol, cubyrop. This is a copy of the living page "Tartrate Number" at Sensei's Library. ![]() |