Joseki Related Life And Death Example 3 / Attempts

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Kill?

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What about this?

White W2 is a different idea.But is it enough? (No, see below.)

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(1) Not killing

Playing B3 here can lead to the mentioned reduction, if Black continues with B5 at a. Other moves seem to fail. What alternatives are there for B3? Is White alive?

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(2) Not killing either


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Hane both sides?

SnotNose: How does White respond to B3?

Klaus: The "Double Hane" seems to kill, cool idea!



However, I'm still not completely convinced. I want to present an idea I found at oki wants tobi:

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Different ikken tobi



White seems to be alive here, but of course, Black kan play B3 differently in this case. He might try the vital point, but...

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Alive?



... the sequence a, b, c, d won't kill White, and beginning with will be answered at a. so how is White killed?

Charles A well-known position: can become ko.


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