Shodan Quick/ Discussion

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IlyaM I don't think it is funny and really belongs to SL.

AdamMarquis: I agree with IlyaM. The (now removed) link to a Dragon game, especially, smells of making fun of weaker players. I don't like it.

ChadMiller: Agreed. Remove it.

chrise the link has not been removed as of yet. I agree with Adam. Perhaps the author could show us one of his games to further illustrate his point.

unkx80: To chrise: The link was removed but got restored by the original author. At the same time, several comments by others were removed by the author as well.

To Fox: It is very rude to remove other people's comments arbitarily. Let this be a final warning to you.

Fox: I am sorry u all have no sense of humor and have to censor my art.

Fox: LOl, nice to whoever added number 11. :P

ilan: Thanks! Finally, someone appreciates me. Remember, there's such a fine line between clever and stupid (David St. Hubbins).

Quicksilvre: This is all just silly. Though #4 makes scary amount of sense. Trying new openings is a way of improving.

IlyaM: I practiced for several months opening where I play first two moves in san-san (both as white and black). It often allowed me to get an early advantage in fuseki as many players in 5-10k range have no good idea how to play against san-san.

George Caplan I am new around here, but I note some folks are quick to say that stuff does not belong here. I think if it has any relation to Go at all, and is not profane, vulgar or hate speech, it should be fine. I agree with IlyaM, I do not find this very funny, but I love the B2Bomber and lots of folks seem to think that is bad. Also, even if you think this is silly, the last two remarks are leading to an interesting discussion (perhaps) so the page is providing some service.

2 last remarks may lead to a conversation? Yea I can imagine it... "Where can I find some of this blood?" - "Like we'd tell you..." ;) Reuven

This page should be moved into the GoParody? books section and given a nice picture.

Quicksilvre: I'll agree to that.

Fox: I think i saw some on ebay. [ext] http://img53.exs.cx/img53/5865/goblood9aj.png

Kuolema: Looks like somebody had some extra spare time.

ilan: Hey, to all you humourless people up there, I have a project for you: why don't you discuss whether a Christmas greeting is appropriate on this website.

ThaddeusOlczyk: No a Christmas greeting is inappropriate. The proper thing is a Christmanunakwanzadan greeting.

Malweth: Humor isn't the same for everyone. I resent being called "humourless" and I'll explain:

  1. Look for ataris: It isn't funny when something obviously completely wrong is given as an example for something. This is reminicint of a guide to mislead weaker players.
  2. Cut it up!: Certainly shodans cut, but is it one of the funny things they do? Furthermore, this isn't very bad advice - cutting a lot will certainly get you stronger :D
  3. Dragon game: I hope this is one of the author's own games. Otherwise it's quite inappropriate. In any case, it's just another run-of-the-mill kyu game - if one player had a ranking of shodan perhaps..... or if it were one of the type of game on dragon like Black A1. B+T. || It's not the author's game.
  4. Hoshi points: Do shodan really play hoshi much more than 3-4? Learning all the 3-4 joseki essentially means that you have the skills to play hoshi joseki without studying too much... so this advice is partially true.
  5. Thickness: See "Look for ataris" above.
  6. GnuGo: Same as look for ataris... not only is GnuGo not shodan, it isn't even a great opponent to reach 8k.
  7. Make things Complicated: This is the first one that actually attempts to make fun of Shodan. The only place it falls flat is that the Shodan actually do understand most of their complications. You really can't make fun of someone for what they do well.
  8. Mayor: Huh? Now the author is running out of go related ideas...
  9. Ask Sai: If only Sai were available to ask... this one is pretty ok ;) Not that I laughed - the first set took away the humor of the article.
  10. Drink Blood: This might be funny if you're talking about go playing vampires... the rest of us must think it's out in left field.

In any case... perhaps there are people who think this is funny enough to keep... I'm sure the author was rolling on the floor for this one ;)

AdamMarquis: I resent being called humorless for not finding poor satire funny too. Malweth, I think you are thinking too highbrow for this. I don't think it is trying to make fun of shodans, I think it is a list of "crazy" advice for being stronger. Also, I warn you that some comedy king is going to come from the woodwork and make fun of you for doing a point-by-point analysis ^_^. To George, we delete things to keep this wiki from becoming completely unmanageable. It is hard enough to keep order, organization, and standardization around here without clutter.

Stefan: I don't see why this would need to be deleted.

Quicksilvre: I don't think it needs to be deleted, either. It's not at all offensive; it just falls flat to me.

ChadMiller: Okay, if you disagree that it is a deletion candidate, then fix it. There are at least ten grammatical problems in the text, and its poor writing obsfuscates that all of it is a joke. Remove the unfunny items and the insulting/abusive item and rename it. I won't, as I don't see anything worth salvaging. Presumably one of the deletion naysayers cares enough to do so.

I still think it should be deleted. It's a pet of the author (he knows both players in the sarcastically labled "perfect game", e.g.) and should be on his personal web site, not here.

Basti: About 7: I think most of our moves are much more simple and straigth-forward than those of most kyu-players...

Quicksilvre:

ChadMiller: Okay, if you disagree that it is a deletion candidate, then fix it.

I do not think it is in my authority to drastically alter Fox's page, though I don't agree with it myself. However, I did go through and fix the grammar. I changed the wording of a few sentences, but I have maintained the original throughout.

Fox: Yea only cut out things if you want me to become extremely pissed off (that means dont). As for the editing my gramar, I'd like to actually thank you for that, I kinda wasnt totally awake at the time i wrote it. Also Chad, you have no right to remove any part of this what so ever. As for that game, Chad if you have a problem with me over it come to the club and talk to me to my face, so i can give you a piece of my mind to the coments you have posted on this page, I dont know if anyone told you but we moved it to another book store which is closer for most of us.

Fox: To compensate I am going to add a page, my 10 Worst Games.

chrise "Richard Fox Go Orlando used to be flabox but didnt like the name, or the bad luck. So I made a name tht was better and more fitting to myself". Perhaps you need a new name, judging by your over-reaction to comments made on this page.

Fox: Ok thanks for your genius idea.

A pleasure!


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