Fuseki Experiments

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It would be nice to discuss some unusual fuseki patterns on this page. Who's come up with a weird idea they'd like to share?

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An example

Black is experimenting. White doesn't have to answer this way of course, but it's one of the more common responses. The first time I had a dan player as opponent at a tournament, I played this way (I was 3 kyu at the time). After playing a weaker yose I lost by 3 1/2 points. So I haven't lost confidence in this pattern.

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A second example

The 7-7 point. I've tried this one too, but don't like it. Why did I even try it? I heard the rumour of there being a German 5 dan who claims that this is his favourite first move with Black. Does anyone know more about this? Can anyone come up with a reason why this might be a good move?

Please discuss and add your unusual fuseki ideas. -- Mark


Dieter: I know for fact that Pierre Colmez 5D played this opening against Guo Juan 7D, in the Brussels Grand Prix some years ago. After B7 both players were laughing, though I'm convinced that Guo didn't think at all that victory was assured yet.

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Guo (W) - Colmez (B)


IaGo: I recently saw this center fuseki on KGS, and I would like to make a few experiment with it, so if you want to give it a try, maybe we could make an open game here or on KGS. Just let me know :)


Very interesting. It would be nice to see the game record. I played that fuseki several times on KGS a year or so ago, with reasonable results. But I'm much weaker than 5D, and my opponents were not professionals either. I really didn't expect to see it has been played at that level.

More recently, I have sometimes played the following pattern. White can of course play differently, but quite often White takes corners and waits to see what is going to happen.

I think I prefer Black in this diagram. Black stones just seem to be working better together. But it's hardly a won game yet. Any opinions? Ideas for good continuations?

-- Miz


Schmorp: I played this pattern quite a number of times against Gnu-Go 3.2 on 13x13 and 19x19, and, depending on how Gnu-Go answers (sometimes it takes the points itself), this seems to be a successful opening. I guess Gnu-Go is only prepared for more standard ones. All in all, if I am able to also get two of the 4-4 points (Gnu-Go often attacks one of my early moves), invasions by Gnu-Go are not successful and I win the game.

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Corners first?


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French Championship 2002, second game

In the second game of the French Championship, relayed live on KGS 2002-11-10, Pierre Colmez opened in the center against Farid ben Malek. For much of the game it seemed as if Black was heading for a win but Malek won the game and went on to win the third game and the championship. To retrieve the game look on KGS under the User Information of ChampFr for the first game on 2002-11-10.

You can see this game (SGF or mori applet) on [ext] the Paris Go Club Forum (game2).

-- Jean Pierre Tavan?


I found an interesting fuseki by Takemiya, and was wondering if anyone would care to comment.

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Takemiya fuseki

This is a very intriguing pattern to me, with both sides playing Yonrensei and then with Takemiya switching to a very unique pattern. It obviously emphasizes the center, a trademark of Takemiya's, while his opponent (Cho Chikun 9 dan) focuses on the left side before invading with 6. Any thoughts?

Lynx: The thoughts of mine, a lunatic who is responsible for such wonderful bastions of wisdom such as B2 Bomber are the following: All this only goes to show that we really have no idea whatsoever of how the game truly works.

"What?" some of you may react automatically. "What has this crazy person been drinking? Of course we know that corners are the uber good!!!!"

Do we? Prove it.

There lies the main problem. There is no way to "prove it." We can only judge by what is effective.

See also Great Wall and Orion's Belt.


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