KGSWishlist/ Discussion

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Do we need to rework the KGS Wishlist?

(Sebastian:) A month ago, rubilia and I started a discussion about what to do about the status of KGS Wishlist, which we feel is unmanageable. The fact that we get more misplaced and double postings than new wishes indicates that the list is too unwieldy for most deshis.

We worked out a concept to improve the situation (see attempts and refinement). Since nobody objected within a reasonable comment time we started implementing the concept, and completed the first two steps (WME of KGSWishlist page and standardizing of "KGS Issues pages"). The increased proportion of KGS pages in RecentChanges, however, raised some eyebrows. When rubilia started with the third step of standardizing the wishlist according to plan, Arno stepped in. His reply (as well as the long discussion on KGS forum at SL discussion, which we found later) indicates that many people would rather reduce KGS related traffic on SL. By contrast, we believe that the amount of traffic reflects the need KGS users have. We regard it as a given and do not want to reduce it other than by reducing the need for it. Of course we respect Arno and do not want to work against his interest; we are well aware that KGS should not overstay its welcome.

Hence the question: What do our fellow deshis think?[1] Should we

  • just let the wishlist be and don't worry about the weeds or
  • is it worth the effort, noise and increased traffic to render it manageable?

The point of this discussion is not to build a rift between KGS users and non-users on SL. The point is to obtain a clear decision for a situation which has become unsatisfactory for KGS users and non-users alike.

(Sebastian, 3 weeks later:) Nobody replied, so it seems nobody cares about this. In the meantime, a few people have added some new wishes, and unfortunately, since the pages are duplicated, some wrote their wishes in the old pages and some in the new pages. To avoid further confusion, we should get rid of the duplicate pages quickly.

If nobody protests I will simply request deletion of the new pages. I went through each page and copied the additions to the old pages. However, I can not guarantee that I did not forget a change. Therefore:

To those who added comments, wishes or votes to the new pages (the ones that are not subpages of KGS Wishlist): Please check if your change is correctly included in the corresponding old pages (the subpages of KGS Wishlist) so we can delete the new pages. If you're not sure if you changed the new page, check the page history of the new page.

(Sebastian, another week later:) Still nobody replied ==> discussion closed - files will be deleted.


[1] Maybe people could just vote by appending their pluses to the bullet points.

Dieter: I didn't reply because my user preferences strip recent changes from any page starting with KGS... And if I'm not logged on as Dieter, I simply disregard them anyway. However, the recent chunk of changes caught my interest. I tend to overreact when there's a sudden impact on SL. Time often proves that patience is stronger than anger - something a Go player should know.

(Sebastian:) Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. You don't think that my changes were motivated by anger, do you? That would be a misunderstanding. The versioning conflict needed to be fixed a.s.a.p. In three weeks, we already got so many changes that it took 2 hours to merge them.

Which of the two sets of files we want to keep is a different question. I should have mentioned that rubilia and I discussed this off line and we concluded that the higher effort of completing the change (including manually changing all links from other pages to the files she created) would create more traffic and counter Arno's wish to keep KGS wishlist pages as subpages of KGS Wishlist and to keep KGS traffic low profile. However, I would be happy if we agreed that we want to keep rubilia's pages and someone volunteered to change the links. Then, replacing the content of rubilia's pages with the appropriate section from the pages I updated will be a minor task.

Dieter: No no, my anger. I should learn to be patient. Neve mind. Keep up the good job.


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