Ladder/reading techniques

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There are several workarounds for ladderbreakers

Workaround 1 for ladder-breakers

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Ladder-breaker points

A simple technique for reading a ladder is to see six diagonal lines from the start of the shicho.[1] Except for a, b and c, any black stone (only) on the marked points will make a ladder-breaker.

However, if there are both black and white stones on the marked points, please read the ladder 'manually': visualise it on the board. That's not so hard, either.


Not a ladder-breaker

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Not a ladder-breaker

Why is a black stone at a in the previous diagram (the marked stone here) not a ladder-breaker?

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Not a ladder-breaker

This diagram shows why - on the second line, White can play at W5 instead of d in the diagram, rendering the BC stone useless.

The reader might want to figure out why having a black stone at b or c in that diagram doesn't make a ladder-breaker.

Besides, note that the ladder-breaker points marked don't include the points on the first line. Go and figure which of these points make ladder-breakers, and which do not.

unkx80


[1] Kageyama says: No shortcuts. Read the ladder. Always. See Practicing Reading Out Ladders.

Workaround 2 for reading ladders

uxs: I agree. Being able to read them out is more useful than this "simple" technique, which apparently doesn't even work when there are just a few stones in the way. On the other hand, reading them out can be hard, especially if you try to read them as "black, white, black, white, ..." You just tend to lose track after a while.

I have found that the following works rather well: instead of reading out all stones, just read the inside stones, until you come across possible ladder breakers. In other words, if it's black chasing white stones, read the white ones. This is very easy, since it's just a simple zig-zagging across the board. Then as you come across the possible breaker stones, add (in this example) the black stones. This is also easy, as you just have to add one in the direction where you read the last white stone.

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Reading example



In the example, the initial situation is all the unmarked stones. When you start reading, you only read out the (marked) white stones. When you then come across the possible ladder breaker, you also read the black ones. You can stop reading when you see that W5 puts B2 in atari.

(Actually, you could've already stopped reading at B2, since it touches the white stone below it and will therefore surely be put into atari. But it's safer to actually read it completely, and not that much more difficult.)

Klaus: In my humble opinion, all these tricks are going the wrong way. Just Read the ladder!!

"I heard from my teacher that whoever has contrivances with tricks to make them go is sure to have activities with tricks to make them go. Whoever has activities with tricks to make them go is sure to have a heart with tricks to make things go. If a heart with tricks to make things go is lodged inside your breast, the pure and simple will not be at your disposal. If the pure and simple is not at your disposal, the daemonic and vital will be unsettled. Anyone in whom the daemonic and vital is unsettled, the Way will not sustain. It isn't that I don't know, it's that I would be ashamed to make it."

(see: Graham, A.C.: Chuang-tzu: the seven inner chapters and other writings: page 186 from the book Chuang-tzu, Unwin Paperbacks, London,1986.)

uxs: If you're saying that the way I read them is a trick, I have to disagree. You ARE reading them out, but only the relevant parts.

Klaus: So the trick is leaving out the irrelevant parts? I guess it is a matter of patience to read out all moves, one by one. It might not seem to be necessary, but it is the right spirit. (Yes this is the part of eastern philosophy which western people have most problems with, and well, I might be off the mark, who knows?)


Bob McGuigan: uxs mentioned a tendency to lose one's place when reading out long ladders move by move. That prompted me to think that that is exactly why one should read them out that way. The larger goal is not to determine whether the ladder works but to strengthen the ability to concentrate and read, ladders being a relatively simple training ground.

Not really a trick, I think that uxs does well by saving time... Anybody who sees the zig zag can see it wrapped. Just as long as you're careful and don't get confused... And ladders aren't the easiest way to practice reading - They can be hard (/confusing) for stronger players as well... Reuven

Kageyama recommends reading ladders all the way across the board every day till it becomes easy. Then throw a few stones in the way and do it again, daily, till it becomes easy. I would add, repeat till the ladder problems in The Treasure Chest Enigma become easy. Any else is shortcutting your own ability to read and to visualize. See Lessons In the Fundamentals of Go Just last night at go club, a person(4k) that used to beat me reguarly played into a ladder that i had already read out. THEN started to read the ladder which extended three-quarters of the way across the board. One could see his head nodding move by move...in shock I exclaimed "now you start reading the ladder!" This is not the first time this has happened this year. Beat a different 4k the same way several months ago. Note to self: Read ladders till they are so easy, you dont hesitate to do so. Ever. Velobici

Reuven: Hmmm I really don't understand the difference - It's not a shortcut! the zigzags aura (:) is as obvious as an elementary problem would be to you. You don't really read it, it's just there - You only pay attention to the zig zag itself until anything else is called for if you can...[1]


[1]Once again, if you can avoid the confusion - I used to get confused when the ladders got messy and would switch to per-move... It's the same thing only it's slightly more time consuming as you save some time by landing both the inner ladder stone and the pressing one when u'r only reading the zig-zag...


Hmmm. Even in the 'obvious' example above, in a more realistic position (more surrounding stones - I am not very good at creating problems, I am sure others can think of better examples), it is not at all clear whether white can escape or not. Note that many stones may seem irrelevant until you read it out - all the way. I am not saying that shortcuts cannot save you time in some cases, but that you need to be very careful about when you apply shortcuts (tricks/cheats :^) and when you do not.

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Can white escape ?

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Maybe not.. ?



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