KGSAdmin Of The Year/ Discussion

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IgoBot is an admin !! but wms is not, he is a super admin :-)

Hu: The KGS Admin of the Year strikes me as being like those high school popularity contests that do little good, especially since the voting system is far from ideal.

DrStraw: I agree completely, but (as a KGS admin) I did not want to make any statement about it which may be misinterpreted. Now that someone else has started the discussion, I vote to remove the page.

PatrickB: I second that motion.

I don't believe you two. Exactly what harm do you think this page does. It is simply bit of fun. And by the way wms, I won't have you cheating this time. This will be a fair vote and nothing else!

wms: Awww, superadmins aren't eligible for admin of the year? Well that's ok, the vote is moot, I already selected myself as admin of the year in a close victory. Hooray for me! I'm admin of the year! :-)

A littly bit more seriously, what's wrong with high school style popularity contests? Must everything do good? If people have fun voting, then heck, let 'em. Although I must say that I'm deeply disappointed to be losing to jyem by such a wide margin!

jyem: the vote is forged: I threatened the french users a ban if they would not vote for me...

ilanpi: Be positive, offer them a go ban if they would vote for you.

MK: Ok but... which year?
Take a guess on which year it is.

choreck: I think choosing best admin etc. is not a good idea, since all of them try to help people. Why to demoralize some of them?
So you would get rid of the ranking system too?

axd: I think this page is a good example of a kind of slowly invading decadence linked with the KGS phenomenon. Honestly, I don't see the utility of this page other than to waste the page database with small but entirely useless deltas representing votes. Again, RGG is far better for this (just make a thread with a pro and a contra subthread, then count the messages on december 1st). Why would we appraise one admin over the other? And why not start another page then on escapers (if there isn't already one), good players, pro players, bad players, worst admins, admins with three toes, and so on...

Would it be equally valid for me to suggest that this sort of comment was equally futile and an excellent example of the pervading decadance overwhelming SL ? Or should I retain a sense of perspective :-)

We are entering the domain of filosophy :-)

Comparing people might be fun but the general idea behind it is the source of much misery in this world. I am aware that this sounds pathetic/idealistic/whatever, yet this is my view and I am convinced I am not the only one thinking like that (didn't John Lennon say something similar?).

Anynymous: agreed. And even if this contest is to be held, there should be a possibility to cast negative votes, too.

Neil: "decadence?" Come on. This is a good example of the site expanding in a new direction. Until the admins warn that the site is running out of disk space, there is no problem here. If you don't like that the site is expanding in this direction, go expand it yourself in a different direction!

axd: Instead of expanding it in another direction, I think it is better to actively halt the expansion rather than just let it go nowhere. SL is already a jungle, there is no need to add more jungle to the jungle.

Rakshasa: If you cut down the jungle then many endangered species will go extinct.

Running people off and making the site more exclusive won't achieve anything but reduce the site's vitality.

Blake: This page is an example of what I was talking about when I suggested (a while back) on Metadiscussion that KGS provide a message board. This isn't what Sensei's Library is for.

Dieter: The complaints indeed go way back. I recall making the comparison to discussing the social life in our home club on a page somewhere here. Announcements of barbecues and so on. The reactions have always been along the lines of "why should we care", "SL gets richer", "write your own content". I would have thought enough protesting voices were heard to make the KGS people compose themselves to more decency. I would never have thought they would keep pushing the limits and hold popularity contests at SL.

I think "keep pushing until the admins complain" does not display high ethics and show even less Wiki spirit. On my home account I have long filtered out everything starting with KGS from recent changes. Is that what you are aiming for ?

I can understand the above 2 comments. However we must recognise the continued attitude that the owner of SL still retains the attitude that he has no problem with KGS pages here. There can be no questioning that many of them are full of junk though, and also no question that trying to trim any of them of that junk causes other people in turn to get stroppy. Therefore it seems hard to win from this perspective. SL has a whole host of other pages which are quite useless though and nobody ever asks for those to be removed. If requested the page can easily be moved elsewhere, but no such request has been received. DrStraw wishes for it to be deleted, that is one thing he cannot escape. I wonder if he still remembers it exists :-)

Bob McGuigan: Personally I don't find all the KGS stuff very interesting but I'm not sure it should be banned from SL. If SL is some kind of archive of go culture then this sort of discussion might be of interest to researchers in the distant future. I can just imagine someone 50 years from now reading all this KGS stuff and smirking about how primitive it all is.



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