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2004 September 39

Tamsin: I think that the new [404] page is a very good way of dealing with pages that don't really belong here, such as unfunny or totally irrelevant jokes. But! I also urge some restraint: it might be best to wait until there's a consensus before shipping a page off to 404. The thing is, humour varies not only from person to person, but across cultures, languages, age groups, gender and all sorts of other boundaries, and so what some people find funny is not amusing to others. For example, I did not think the b2bomber page was clever or funny, but since the consensus indicates that a lot of you do, then it should not go to 404. Of course, obviously bad pages such as porn or gambling links and the like ought to go to 404 or be deleted immediately.

(Sebastian:) Thanks for the compliment, but I'm confused now. Your comment sounds as if someone had redirected the B2 page; but it's still there - or was there some hidden "minor" change that has been reverted since? (Could that even happen?) Re consensus: I wouldn't mind if B2 were deleted or redirected.

axd: I must admit I had to engage a lot of brain resources to find out whether B2 was an act of vandalism, or a joke :-)

lynx?: B2 is a piece of superb satire -- keep your hands off my work of genius! ^^ And furthermore, that shape DOES appear in play, more times than you'd think. Often as part of a complex fight.

2004 September 29

Wikivandals are trying to make page revivals impossible. Suggest you block 213.7.162.126 == Ba27e?.b.pppool.de as soon as possible.

MichaelLesniak: How are page revivals impossible? Isn't there always the history?

(Sebastian:) The history only displays the text, it does not allow an ordinary deshi such as you and me to revert the page, because we wouldn't get the markup back.

unkx80: Librarians can revive any version of the page, so if it is too much hassle to revive a older version of the page other than the most recent version in the history, then you may empty the contents of the page to remove the vandalism and post a message to draw attention to the librarians.

2004 September 26

dnerra Anyone else having trouble with KGS connection? I get The system "goserver.igoweb.org" is refusing connections. The server is probably down right now. Please try again later. although MOTD loads fine.

RikiTiki yes. i'm having the same problem. Does anyone have an estimate of when (if) the server will be back?

glue Yes, it is down. We have to wait for wms to fix it. I can't tell when server will be back up.

RikiTiki Thanks glue, i'm sure it will be back up as soon as wms can get it back for us. Personally, I think it is a measure of the quality of the service that these sort of outages are so rare. KUDOs to wms and Kiseido for their valuable contribution to the Go community.

MichaelLesniak: Going to have withdrawal symptoms ;)

ZeroKun: I feel your pain Michael :)

gedh Yes! KGS Addiction help should be available. I created a page KGSServerStatus tonight which I thought might be a good place for KGS up-or-down type traffic. We'll see!

LegendsEnd: agh a whole day without kgs is making me go crazy!

2004 August 8

Arima-kun: Everyone who has a PalmOS handheld should check out a new replaying/editing client TenGo ( [ext] http://www.eienware.com/tengo/ ). It is the best PalmOS app i have seen so far - it has native support for SGF files which can be saved to memory card or internal memory, variations, comments and many more. It costs $14.95 which is less than a half of PalmSGF ($35) which does almost the same and has crappy graphics.

Update: version 1.2 is out, check the TenGo link or web pages for more info.

Zapped: Unfortunately for us dinosaurs, this software only runs on PalmOS 5. I have a fairly recent Sony Clie that's stuck with PalmOS 4.01, no ugrade path either. No clue why the developer would want to limit the sales of software by only targeting the most recent PalmOS.

Eienware?: Because when Sony ceased selling Cliés in Europe and USA, they also removed documentation and emulators from their web pages. Therefore we are unable to make TenGo Clié-compatible.

Zarlan: Sony aren't the only ones with pre-palmOS 5 machines. My Palm m500 certainly won't ever have palmOS 5.

Eienware?: Yes, but we're talking about _HiRes?_ PalmOS4 devices (at least I hope we are...). LowRes? devices probably won't be supported in the near future, we're concentrating on HiRes?+ ATM.

Scryer: This choice makes good sense to me. For a Low Res Palm PilotGOne is an excellent choice, and served me well in the old days, so that people who can't run TenGo still have a good fall-back position. Looking at it from the developers' point of view, they can concentrate their effort on adding features rather than supporting a broad range of very different platforms. Having moved up from a Palm Vx (where PilotGOne served me well), I want to be able to use my full resolution, color pallette, and (importantly) SD card.


2004 July 20

J0llyhunter: To everyone, there is a new Go forum available now. We need your help to keep it active. Since I am a Go beginner i am looking for experienced go players interested in being mods. This is just a forum where players can chat and discuss problems.

thats the link to it: [ext] http://s3.invisionfree.com/Go_Forum/index.php


2004 July 16

SikeElegy: To any admin: If it is no trouble, please delete the 11 SabakiGoClub subpages listed in Wiki Orphans. They've become obsolete since we moved most of the info from them offsite, and now they clutter up our subpage list, possibly adding some confusion.

Thanks in advance!

unkx80: Next time, please ask a librarian to rename pages instead of copying the contents of old pages to new pages. To do so, add an entry to page name change requests. This will preserve page history, and is usually faster than getting pages deleted since both librarians and admins can rename pages, but only admins can delete pages. =)


2004 July 14

Anonymous: How do you download the entires site as an archive? Is there a link at the front that I've overlooked?

Arno: See SL snapshot

Bill: Malware alert!

I noted some peculiar behavior when I came to SL in my last note. It turns out that it was due to malware on my computer that affected Internet Explorer. (I am using Netscape now.) This malware may be a variant of CoolWebSearch. According to three malware cleanup programs, two virus checkers, and a Trojan horse checker, my machine is clean. But the infection is still there. I am containing it by using Netscape and the Sygate Personal Firewall.

There is some connection to SL. If I use Internet Explorer go to some sites, there is no problem, but the first time during the day that I use it to come to SL (or one among some other sites), it tries to send a message to adwelth.biz (66.230.167.175). I discovered that (and am preventing the message from being sent) with the Sygate Firewall.

I do not know the connection with SL. Maybe the malware just picked sites I go to a lot. Maybe SL has been infected somehow.

It seems that the makers of malware have gotten extremely aggressive and stealthy in the past year. Please protect yourself.

Arno: thanks for your warning Bill. I can (to the best of my knowledge) assure you that SL is not infected in any way whatsoever. We keep a very tight lock on this server and have several tools running which would alarm us of any kind of intrusion that may occur. If SL would be part of this you could see it in the HTML pages you download from SL. Nonetheless, if you find something strange on one of the pages please don't hesitate to contact me ([email] ahollosi@xmp.net).

Bill: Thanks for the info, Arno. And thanks for running a tight ship. :-)

2004 July 5

This is a message for german speaking people only, and I hope it's the correct place to put it, as I'm not familar with this wiki. If not pleace move it to the correct place.

Bei der deutschsprachigen Wikipedia wird zur Zeit versucht, den Artikel über das Go-Spiel in den Rang eines exzellenten Artikels zu heben. Dazu fehlen aber noch etliche Beiträge (Profi-Go, Überblick über die verschiedenen Regelmengen, Go-Materialien (also Bretter etc. nicht Go-Bücher, allenfalls welche die Go allgemein behandeln) und die Geschichte des Go in Europa). Finden sich hier Leute, die Lust haben, da etwas mitzuhelfen? -> [ext] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go und [ext] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Review

Berni

2004 July 3

return

Bill: I have noticed some strange behavior recently while here on SL. Yesterday, for instance, Ingdirect.com tried to put a cookie on my machine. ???! Has anybody else experienced that kind of thing? Is it just me? ;-)

2004 July 1

Tim Brent: To all Canadian SL readers, Happy Canada Day!!!

2004 June 26

mAsterdam: After doing some cleaning up of Handicaps beyond nine stones and related pages, I would appreciate some help. The page could do with some editing (or additional text) by somebody who knows about the Japanese/Chinese way and/or Gene Fellner.

2004 June 15

IanDavis: Anyone fancy a game of Go (or Rengo) ? I could do with some amusement ;->

2004 June 14

RBerenguel: Why GoMUB appears to be unreferenced but it is in GoPlacesInEurope ?

Stefan: Not sure I get your question right, but GoPlacesInEurope does appear under "Referenced By" on my GoMUB.

Hu: Perhaps the page was not adequately refreshed? In some situations, you have to hold the shift key down while clicking on the Refresh button.

RBerenguel: May be a problem with my I.E. cache, a friend of mine says it's referenced, too. Thanks!

2004 June 12

Bill: Rafael, unkx80, is the complexity page OK now? :-)

unkx80: Sure, thanks a lot to both of you for the comments and edits. =)

2004 June 11

Please use MinorEdit whe voting for KGSAdminOfTheYear and the like.
Yeah I did put that in bold. Maybe I shuold duplicate the msg.

2004 May 26

mAsterdam: Thank you, unkx80, for your help with Elementary Moves.

unkx80: Sure, no problem. =)

2004 May 24

kokiri is it possible to make a currently existing page a subpage of another? I tried to rename kokiri's recent game 1? as the subpage recent game 1 of kokiri by changing the name to kokiri/recent game 1 but it didn't work...

unkx80: Done. Page renaming can only be done by librarians and admins. Please list other pages to rename at page name change requests.

Bill: Thank you, Charles, for organizing the Japlish page. :-)


unkx80: axd listed the following entry in the page name change requests:

  • all pages referred to in TalkPages, to be moved to their respective disussion page; TalkPages to be removed?

I would like to ask the fellow deshis, are we sure we want to do this?

Bob McGuigan: Do all "talk" pages have a non-discussion page associated with them? In other words, is there always an obvious way to carry out the bulleted proposal?

unkx80: Some, not all. However, this affects how we would create talk-related pages in the future.

Bill: I would amend that slightly. Move or rename any X Talk pages referenced in the X page to X Discussion, if feasible.

unkx80: I have renamed most of the talk pages.

2004 May 23

iLoveSai

Thank you Arno and Hu.

2004 May 22

Arno: whoever deleted iLoveSai's homepage: if this is legitimate (the IP address would suggest that the same person did some "normal" edits previously,) then add a meaningful reason in the summary! Otherwise people (like me) will assume that this is vandalism. I have restored the content just in case.

Tamsin: I cannot see why anybody would want to delete the page. It contains personal and go information. Perhaps it was one of our most extremely puritanical deshis who made the deletion?

2004 May 16

TimHunt: unkx80, that's just scary!

unkx80: I hope I have made it less scary now.

Nice set of problems. =)

Thanks, but I am still scared. You had added my problems to all the relevant indices before I had even finished creating them! --TimHunt

Bill: Many thanks, Tim, for your very nice problems. :-)

unkx80: To TimHunt: Such things happen fairly frequently on SL. Sorry for not waiting for you to finish creating the problems before adding them to the index pages, but by then I might have forgotten about it. On the other hand, have you ever encountered the situation where the attempts or even the solution to your problem gets posted no more than five minutes after you posted the problem? I have. =)

2004 May 6

Dieter: I'll make several calls a week to join the BQM task force before I abort the initiative.

Bill: Very nice exercises today, unkx80! :-)

2004 April 28

Kagura: Arno, you have performed some massive reconstruction of the KGS / English Chat Room page, and it is certainly appreciated. Thank you.


2004 April 27

Question: is there a way to do HTML tables on this Wiki? --Nils

Morten:There is no way to do HTML tables on SL.


2004 April 26

yoyoma: Question on how to do this best. I want to be able to see all updates to KGSTexasGoPlayers, because I want to know when we have new results. I had been relying on RecentChanges, but Arno wants us to use minor edit. We're currently just putting a little W/L in the table, so it's hard to look and know what was added. We could have a chronological listing of results also, maybe that would be best. Any suggestions?

You could use Full Recent Changes, which shows minor edits.

Arno: better yet: add the page to your watched pages (see link at bottom of page). Then go to UserPreferences and set "Minoredits for watched pages" in your default profile (RC1). Voila: you see all minor edits to your page, but not minor edits to other pages you don't care about. Note: this works only when logged in.

yoyoma: Yes this is exactly what I wanted, thanks!

Also, we created the table by using a leading space to do monospace font, but the little external link icon messes it up a bit, any ideas here?

And its a bit difficult to edit the table since it gets really wide with all the links. Obviously we're copying it over into notepad and that helps some, but I wondered if you could continue a pre-formatted line by backslashing a CR or something? In my tests it doesn't work. Not a big deal but if there is an answer that I just don't know it would be useful.

Arno: can't think of something useful ...

2004 April 22

Dr Straw and others, it is indeed true that titles of pages are better when they describe what's on the page. That all pages should be referenced on at least one other page is another core idea of the Wiki. The ideas are not miai. See also Wiki etiquette.

See also Wiki orphans. Deliberately creating orphans is just not acceptable.

Dieter

2004 April 17

RBerenguel: Someone deleted 3 pages and I copy-pasted the changes, could someone test they are the same as before? I can't do that now.

unkx80: They don't look quite the same. You can set your experience level as a deshi in the user preferences, and then revive the previous page.

RBerenguel: Thank you for fixing them, and now I'm a honorable deshi hehe...


2004 April 14

naruto3 Hey jesse that is exactly where i got the idea from thanks for defending me :-)

Arno: please don't take this as a personal assault on you. For my reason see below.

unkx80: I arbitarily moved two parts of the discussions in KGS Wishlist / Social to KGS Issues Discussion to reduce the size of the page, and without changing any text. I don't think I dare to do any WME on these parts.

2004 April 13

Jesse: I can see why Arno wanted Naruto3 to remove his messages page, but Naruto probably got the idea from Hu's Messages?.

Tamsin: If Hu can have a messages page, I can't see a good reason why Naruto3 shouldn't have one, too. In fact, I think it would be quite a good thing if each regular on SL set up a messages page. I don't know if Naruto3 was using his messages page inappropriately or something, but surely it would be better to tell him to mend his ways than high-handedly to take it away from him (sorry, I'm assuming you're a boy, Naruto).

Arno: I guess you are mistaking SL for what it is. I am against Hu's page as well, but didn't think of it at the time. The point really is that SL is not an instant messaging system or an email system. Can you imagine how RecentChanges would look like if such "message" pages become popular among the KGS crowd? If you need to occassionaly message someone then use his/her homepage. But take your personal conversation somewhere else.

Hu: I have delinked Hu's Messages? and requested on Wiki Orphans that it be deleted.

2004 April 9

Naustin: I've been curious lately. Where is Charles Matthews. I wasn't here for a little while and when I returned he seemed to have disappeared.

The answer appears to be 'Wikipedia'.

Dieter: Bill, I realized there are a couple of mistakes in what I wrote. I'm sure that's what you are writing right now.

Bill: Hi, Dieter! :-) Comment ca va?

I'm so bad at life and death that I am always happy to make a live group. ;-) I think I may have gotten one right, this time. :-)

Arno: KGS Wishlist / Social has apparently reached a critical size of 32KB, where some browsers trunctate the input field. I suggest someone does a WME.

2004 April 2

Bill: Here's to Eric Osman for his very nice page, Interactive Life and Death. Well done! :-) I hope it's not the last such page.

Velobici: It's a very nice page indeed. Clearly we need a perl script to convert SGF files of go problems to this new usage of html!

Karl Knechtel: To wiki source, surely. I'd give it a shot except that I'm already doing programming work that I might conceivably eventually be paid for. ^^;

2004 March 31

Tamsin: Does anybody know why "sensei's recent" or "sensei's recent changes" as Google keywords always point you first to Recent Changes Junkies rather than the actual Recent Changes page, even when you're using the "I'm feeling lucky" button?

Morten I would guess because Google's index is based on, amongst others, the number of pages linking to the page. There may be more pages linking to Recent Changes Junkies than to Recent Changes (taking into account that the 'link-in' count of the pages which link to both pages is a factor as well...). The other indicators used by Google will probaly be the same for both pages.

Stefan: If you know the exact answer to this question, you can get very rich. There's a market for people who know how to tune pages in such a way they are bumped higher by Google's algorithms.

Morten - :-) As you say - some people have already gotten rich on trying to secondguess Google's 'PageRANK(TM)' system. And sometimes they are succesful. There have been some spectacular Googlebombs over the years. I assume that everyone has tried to to search for 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' and clicked on the 'I'm feeling lucky' button? It's still there after a year (although I am not too sure how 'real' that result is....)

ChrisBall: After reading the discussion about an RSS Feed of RecentChanges below (2004 February 19), I've written a script that can be run from outside SL to generate RSS, and described it at ChangesRSSFeed. Does anyone have any comments?

2004 March 29

Zarlan: When you find a WikiVandal, should it be added to the IP-list as a minor edit? (I assume so, since I haven't seen any additions to it in RecentChanges, but... better safe then sorry)

2004 March 13

mAsterdam: I changed 36Strategies into an alias for SecretArtOfWar. Ok Axd?

axd: when removing a page like this, because you know where the material is covered, please provide a link to the other page containing the material if applicable; and add this page to WikiOrphans. It is less difficult to believe a page has not been vandalised if done by a person, rather than by some IP number. Otherwise other people - such as I for example - need to search through SL to understand no vandalism was involved.

2004 March 12

RBerenguel: I think it would be good to post a message in the frontpage condemning all kind of terrorism. If someone isn't aware, yesterday 11th march about 200 people died in Madrid (Spain).

gimpf: No problem. But add, that more than 1% (1,3% in Germany last year) are dying of suicide. Because they are so depressive, and finally nobody helps. That such people are most of times handled as Idiots is also nice. Also add, that several governments try to restrict freedom of speech in an silent way, newspapers cencur themselves, that death penalty still exists, on any continent of the world, and not just in two countries, namely China and USA, although the discussion seems to concentrate on them. Or that still many fathers are raping their children. And finally we are working towards destroying the nature, every day. Bad thing, this bombs. But if you really want show responsibility, try to make things better, try to understand why and how things happen, then you have to admit that there are so many even bigger issues in this world, that we can't put them all on the frontpage. And nobody should have the right to decide what is more important, what lives we should take more care for. Can you?

RBerenguel: I know everything you said, as everyone in the world does. In the present year I think that about 30 women have died in Spain murdered by their husbands, and so on. But I think that condemning terrorism was just a form of speech. As Kageyama says in his book, life and death should be only concerned with the go board. If no-one here wants to add this (I won't do it, because I'm in a certain way involucrated, being spanish and so), well, don't do it. I myself have condemned it. Everyone is free to express his thoughts. No live is better than any other, and no death is worse than any other. Ten thousand died in 11th september, only two hundred in 11th march. Several millions died in 2nd wolrd war, about a million in Spanish Civil war, and so on in every war, so on people die every day. So on people kill themselves, are killed without reason, or are killed because of their thougts, religion, or nationality. I don't want to start a rant about this, this is only a go wiki, and this isn't related. If you have a minute, take a look at google.es. Only a black ribbon, to remember those who died in a flash only because they were in the train that wouldn' arrive to his destiny. If someone wants to reply, please, in my homepage.

2004 March 11

kritz I am planning on entering into my first AGA sponsered tourney in March. My KGS rank is 16k. I am looking for guidance on what rank to use for entery. Folks on KGS say I should put 14k or so as kgs is stronger in the double digit kyu range. Does anyone have any thoughts? Are these games typically handicapped? I think it will be funner if I get this right.

thanks for the help....

Bill: How often do you anticipate playing AGA rated games? (Such as tournament games.) Unless things have changed, if you get an AGA rating and then play six months or a year later and are, say, 4 stones stronger, they won't just change your rating on your say-so. Then you could play a terribly mis-matched tournament. So I would advise playing at as strong a rating as you can stand. It will be a learning experience, and you might even win a game. (If their policy has changed, then you won't have that problem, OC. :-))

kritz thanks bill - I never have played in an AGA event. This will be the first. I like pretty even games ... it would be nice to be close.

Bill: It's been a long time since I was an AGA member. It would make sense for them to let you change your rating based on your KGS rating. It wouldn't hurt to check, though.

Enjoy the tournament, and good luck! :-)

Niklaus: I don't know anything about the AGA rating system, but I'd also advice you to enter the tournament ranked too high rather than too low. Playing tournaments can be a great learning experience, especially for kyu players. If you're ranked too low and get lots of easy games, quite a bit of the fun (and the learning) is lost.

TimHunt: Hello!? can we have a bit of good manners here. What would happen if everyone entered a few stones stronger than they really were, just so they could get better games? You should enter at the best possible estimate you can make of your playing strength. End of story.

If the AGA has a rule that rated players have to play at that rating, even though they have improved 4 stones since their last tournament. Well that is a silly rule that should be changed, but actually, I doubt that such a rule still exists.

ethanb: I'm happy to report that such a rule most certainly does not exist. If your rating doesn't match your current strength, tell the tournament director when you enter. The worst that will generally happen is that you'll have to play somebody strong a game to prove it.

kokiri: for what it's worth, a Swedish guy turned up at the (UK) club last night having only played on KGS. He was a KGS 14k and proceeded to win his first two games - a six stone handi vs. a 4 kyu and a seven stone game vs me (2kyu) fairly comfortably. No one should be pissed off if you make a genuine esitmate of you grade and it turns out to be wrong and it would seem reasonable to me to loog at the page on rank comparisons and make an estimate.

Bill: Well, it seems that he could play as a UK 10k, which is roughly equivalent to AGA 8k. But the comparisons table says that KGS ranks are equivalent to AGA ranks. Even if now there is a 2-stone difference in the double digit kyus, as kritz's friends suggest, that's still a discrepancy of 4 stones! Online rating systems seem to undervalue lower ranked players. (Last I heard, there was the same kind of problem with IGS.) Besides, I have never believed that double digit ratings should be taken too seriously, anyway. Players at that level can advance several stones with a single insight. It's hard for rating systems to keep up with that.

ethanb: Spectacular insights aren't limited to double-digit kyu players. I know somebody who went from 5 kyu to 2 dan in the space of 10 minutes during a game.

    forwards or backwards? ;-)kokiri

kritz I wish there was an easy way to find "the insights." That said, I am enjoying the trip to find them. Nothing like a light bulb moment at my age.

kokiri: yes i agree with bill, but i'd add that i've found the online ratings to be much less reliable than real world ones. i play at 5k* on igs now and it seems to me that there are often players who are very good at 5k, or much worse at 3k, maybe it's my imagination.


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