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BQM31
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Keywords: Joseki, Question
This happened in a game of mine. I am White. Please review.
White had played the double approach to the star point. Kogo's Joseki Dictionary[1] says that Black should get out with the kosumi (on the other hand, actual practice says.../Modern Double Kakari).
To my surprise he played kosumi-tsuke and, applying my basic instinct, I extended with
(From the point of view of standard shape, As so often, I muttered "must ... resist ... temptation" (c) Dilbert, but I fell for it and played the cut. Let me first show the alternative I had in mind.
WAR, o-u-o-u-o-u-oh, what is it good for ? (Absolutely nothing).
Black took some time to play
This was the alternative for
Making ko in the corner was a very attractive prospect.
Still, White will soon have to capture the cutting stones, otherwise Black either makes a small life in the corner, as in this diagram, or ...
... turns the corner into an approach ko.
DaveSigaty: I think there is no ko here. Black cannot make an eye in the corner, and cannot squeeze White effectively enough on both the top and the right to prevent White from capturing the black stones in time.
DaveSigaty: I am wondering about White playing at
Despite
If Black plays on the left after Always one should seek the most simple variation. Reading this page I felt the need to add it myself. Usualy simple is best, there is no need to think complicate unless the simple things don't work. So...
White is afraid of the cut with This is the same as Holigor's first diagram. He added a few more moves and I have to say White is definitely better in that diagram. Her territory is better than the black influence. And further, she has sente. Even if the ladder works for Black, White can always play a ladder breaker.
The only problem seems to be
The idea in this position is that the black corner is too weak to attack White. And that White should not play atari on the stone Lucretiu Calota 5 dan from Romania Rich: Going back to the original position, it seems to me a good way to show up the deviation from joseki (depending on the surrounding conditions, of course) is to play where the opponent 'should' have played:
Is this not simpler, or have I missed a killer response for Black?
Charles Doubtless
Trouble is,
Going right back to the start:
This is a way for White to start an immediate fight in the centre. Since White's connection at a brings the corner close to a carpenter's square shape, this seems OK for White.
Rich Thanks, Charles; that final pattern looks nice. I was thinking of exchanging territory for influence; the reason I decided against the 3-3 point you showed in 'a better trade', was because the push at c seems to give the cut or the corner to black. Given the aim of the choice was territory, the corner should then be kept, surely?
Anyhow, at this point it gets complicated, which was what I was trying to avoid... :) It's my mid-kyu timidity, you see...
Charles I don't know about 'complicated'. Giving up stones like
After The main point is that Black has played one more stone here than White, now (i.e., looking at the local tally, you expect Black to be doing better). [1] Charles Alarming to me to think that Kogo's is cited as an authority. Path: BigQuestionMark · Prev: BQM30 · Next: BQM32 This is a copy of the living page "BQM31" at Sensei's Library. ![]() |