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4-4 point high approach
Keywords: Joseki
The high approach to the 4-4 point at
A common answer by black to
Discussion
The other usual joseki is
There are many variations after
Now a white move at a looks troublesome.
After
So I doubt that the attachment underneath is really a joseki unless the surrounding position is right.
In my opinion the proper joseki is to respond to the high approach with a one space jump as in
If White strengthens herself, as in the second diagram on this page, Black still gets a lot of corner territory, with no bad aji. After attaching underneath it would be bad for Black to remove the aji of the move at the 3 - 3 point right away as that would be gote and White would have been strengthened.
Sanz: I saw this type of "punishing move" in a book. a would also work.
IaGo: my dictionary suggests this, with a possible extension at a, and It seems a little more secure in the corner. Charles I don't see any examples of this by pros.
How about 6 at b to make the ThreeCrows? Too overconcentrated?
unkx80: Thanks all for correcting my misconceptions on this joseki. Kirk: What about pincers? In particular, the low one-space pincer at a always seems to cause me trouble. I generally play the one-space high approach when I have influence in the upper right (facing left), but this low pincer always seems to disrupt my plans: it prevents a large moyo and is hard to attack when the thickness is so far away.
Kirk: Here's an example from one of my
Kirk: Here's one continuation I considered. I guess this result is okay. As black, I'm very concerned about utilizing my influence at the bottom, so I don't like white to get a position on the left. Nevertheless, the thinness of white's position at the top coupled with the fact that I can probably engineer a splitting attack against that and the lower right white group (after a) makes this look playable.
Kirk: Here white blocks on the other site. I'm not sure 8 is right -- actually there doesn't seem to be a good shape for white here. White still seems to have a lot of potential on the left, and black's influence still isn't doing anything. I guess a-d follows fairly logically (at least to me! :-)
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