Pushing battles in joseki 8
Difficulty: Expert Keywords: Joseki
![[Diagram]](../../diagrams/17/e4ff94785b5fcc75d9a262bbef73effa.png) | Atari underneath variation |
Playing from beneath (rather than at a) is given superficial treatment in Ishida - just two diagrams. See 3-4 point high approach one-space low pincer for those. There is a ladder question, but this joseki occurs in pro games even when the ladder is good for White.
That is, the following development is sometimes seen:
![[Diagram]](../../diagrams/37/ba50f35eb416565c031f9a3c531d5515.png) | Atari underneath variation |
Naturally with a bad ladder will set up a net instead.
![[Diagram]](../../diagrams/43/a88b31e5ed937161de34a3508766e183.png) | Pushing line |
Instead is correct shape to hold everything together. as shown is now joseki: Ishida gives White at a (Sakata Eio-Fujisawa Hideyuki 1961-03-08) which appears now to be obsolete. The issue now is whether or how White continues to push along. There is some curious aji in the corner.
![[Diagram]](../../diagrams/32/24720e1def83117e31c9b2c5e495f1f9.png) | Pushing line (continuation) |
here is normal, with a and b also having been played. Black responds at c or d (but not hane [1]). White in the latter case then closes off the open skirt or gets ahead with the knight's move.
![[Diagram]](../../diagrams/1/9eacd268ce8172b5fabe4dd6ec6adec7.png) | Hashimoto-Rin |
Hashimoto Utaro-Rin Kaiho 1974-05-02 continued in this way, with Black 11 at a for a fight in the centre. Omitting 6 was tried in a recent Korean game.
[1] Black hane in response to was played by Christoph Gerlach 5d against Hans Pietsch in the 1996 Fujitsu Cup. White cut immediately.
![[Diagram]](../../diagrams/1/2ab2751aef4ddeb9fbf309e819f05135.png) | Pietsch's cut |
After we have transposed.
![[Diagram]](../../diagrams/20/9cf013b590036c2228561c05eb79477e.png) | Kim's variation |
Seong-june Kim 6d gives this variation. This looks bad for White, unless there is some corner aji to use.
Pushing Battles in Joseki 8 Corner Aji Discussion: what can White do in the corner now?
![[Diagram]](../../diagrams/27/ae8038d83e2df51b53841c415acba10f.png) | Korean book analysis |
A Korean book considers this possible situation, with avoiding being shut in rather than attending to the corner.
Charles Matthews
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