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4-5 point 3-3 approach
Keywords: Joseki
White comes in at the 3-3 point in search of a quick way to live.
Black normally answers at a, giving White a choice of direction, or at b to build a wall on the upper side.
White slides one way or the other with
When
In this line a ladder is possible (set up by
White can also avoid fighting, by playing See discussion at 45103 enclosure, and comments below.
Naive kyu question: what if
If Black really needs to defend the left side, this sequence is possible, but this no longer seems to be part of pro play.
The 3-3 approach is a good approach globaly speaking when White has a stone along the side such as
Even though the 3-4 approach is feasible, as shown in the following diagrams, Black ends up with a bulky group without any eyeshape which will be quite a burden to take care of. That is, play the 3-3 invasion to avoid becoming heavy. (Joseki line reference at 4-5 point 4-3 approach keima, contact at 3-5, hanedashi. Charles)
Charles: I'd like to comment that this discussion provides two examples of blocked configurations. Firstly, as far as I can see, Black simply never plays now into the 4-3 approach (last example dates from 1772). And consequently the framework with
Floris:
Yes, the
Bill: Yeah, like White is really going to play
Dieter: I guess that, if the pros regard
I guess Bill, that your point is that this diagram should be researched, rather than the previous. Indeed, it is not so obvious for me why this result would be inferior for Black. It looks rather consistent. I think no amateur would be scolded for playing like this. This is a copy of the living page "4-5 point 3-3 approach" at Sensei's Library. ![]() |