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Escapers On KGS
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Dieter: This page needs a WME or should be deleted altogether. A KGS tips page can contain a line about what to do with escapers?. To be masteredited.


My opponent escaped, what can I do?

Short answer: Wait five to ten minutes. Five is expected, ten is polite.

Long answer: Use your Resume button. Best of all, you can use the question mark button beside the player's name in the game offer window before the game starts. This will bring up their user info with the games list tab, where unfinished games are italicized. Thus, it becomes easy to avoid those who have many unfinished games.

People with too many unfinished games lose their oldest escaped games.

If your opponent swears at you and acts incredibly offensively, or keeps marking living stones as dead during scoring, you may decide you have no choice but to resign the game and never play them again. Your rank will recover, their reputation may not.

Just remember, they know you won, you know you won, does it really matter all that much whether or not the server prints "you won" on your screen or not?

Bill: I gather from this note that game records are kept for finished games, and that some people try to cheat by marking stones dead at the scoring phase. If they tried to do that to me, I would let them, and then appeal the result. The game record is good evidence. ;-)

  • This is considered worse than escaping. If an admin sees someone doing this then their account will be deranked. DrStraw
  • Cheyenne: Remember however -- that one can accidently mark a group dead (done it myself a few times), you can mark the group alive again by shift-clicking on the group. Also the scoring facility has problems if an area isn't closed off the whole way

[Diagram]
marked dead

Here black could be marked dead by the scoring facility until the area is closed off (black is alive unconditionally here) However if the opponent would continue to mark alive groups dead then I would end up reporting the incident to an admin

penguin: The admins are not interested in refereeing games.

Bill: I still appeal. :-) If people really are trying to cheat in this way, the message will get through.

Zarlan: I'd be stubborn and correct the life/death status ...or if I get tired of that, I'd just leave.
I would not allow an incorrect result. Not getting the game finished is very annoying even if it's a free game (has happened to me), but well... it's just one game and the only real lasting annoyance is the fact that I won't be able to access the game-record through my game list.

Ekted: There needs to be a system in place to at least label escapers using some trusted system. I don't care if the games count against them. I don't want to waste my time playing if someone is going to quit when they start losing.

Velobici: Escaping and Escapers create frustration for the player winning the game. One doesn't get the reward/affirmation of actually winning, having the other player resign or scoring the game. Perhaps this fustration is the result of misunderstanding. We are not engaged in tournament games. We are playing for the pleasure of playing and to learn how to play better. An escaper is someone who is losing so badly that they can't bear to resign or to score the game. Perhaps its best to count it as a win in one's own mind and move on to another game.


lusion: As of January 2004 I understand there's a new KGS policy for escapers: games older than a certain period automatically count against whomever left first. But there are problems with this policy.

I'll use myself for example. I have four games on my list where I left first. Two were for a flakey network connect where my opponent was gone when I returned. Two others I was interrupted and had to leave and we agreed to continue later but I haven't seen my opponent since. Under the new KGS policy, if my opponent doesn't come back, all four count as losses against me.

Neil: That's not quite what it says on KGS Status. There it says that the automatic forfeits happen if you have too many incomplete games, as a replacement for the old rank-forfeiture rule.

I support the policy. The needs of those whose opponents "escape" from losses must be balanced against those who need to "escape" from rude opponents.

Joshual000: This policy is excellent. A policy like certainly reflects that of tournement play where leaving a game would result in a loss on time. Not to mention that the added bonuses at KGS include it only happens if you have too many incomplete games *and* there is time to complete an unfinished game before starting another.


Dan Argent:I am rather new on KGS and haven't gotten a good feel for schedualing enough time to finish a game yet. There have been to games that I have had to leave from. In both games I was winning by a rather wide margin. I felt that I could not make the other person wait on the result because of my failure. I resigned both games even though I'm pretty sure I would have won. I realise this is not the ideal solution, but I hope that this is less rude than escaping.

  • DrStraw The admins of KGS do not encourage this - it tends to warp the ratings. You should try to discuss it with the opponent first and explain the situation. It maybe possible to arrange to time to continue.

Hu: You were very honorable about it, Dan. Alternatively, sometimes one can get agreement from one's opponent to resume at a later time. There is no question that the way you handled is the opposite of rude.



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