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Migeru's Question 1
Difficulty: Beginner
Keywords: Joseki
Assuming White does not have a ladder breaker, is this joseki? I have tried this twice on KGS against a 14k and a 15k. In both cases White chose the quiet approach.
unkx80: I'll try to answer as best I can. Looks like White at a can exploit this quite nicely.
If Black connects
This looks like another failure for Black. White 11 can capture two black stones at a.
This is better for Black, but still favourable for White.
I'm sure I missed something, but that's about it for now.
How about this
unkx80's ideas appear correct, but White also could hardly go wrong with the quiet move at As said, this is not to criticize unkx80's analysis. Rather, I would like to point out that often the best way to exploit a weakness in opponent's position is to do nothing - the opponent will then have to keep worrying about it until either he spends a full move repairing it or the time has come where you do see what to do with it. -- Andre Engels
Charles Matthews The lighter play of this marked black stone comes up from time to time in pro games. White 1 is the most common answer.
Andrew Walkingshaw (NB: I'm 4 kyu, so take this with suitable seasoning): What's so wrong with the classic lines? If anything, the standard solid attachment is considered a little better for Black, given the greater outside influence; the hanging attachment is also OK. Andre Engels: One situation where this move is often chosen, is when there is already a white stone somewhere along the upper side. Black has no opportunity to make territory in that case, and instead runs away lightly. A second possibility might be that Black is trying to build a framework in the center. As for your question about what is wrong with the classic lines: There's nothing wrong with them, but joseki are not panacea, and special situations often require special joseki.
This in no way invalidates any of the excellent things you (Andre) say, of course...
Here, a makes more sense if you want to settle locally, but
Here, Black has taken more immediate territory, but there's also more aji left: a peep at a, for example. (White can play Anyway, I'm sure that somewhere on SL (someone add a link please!) goes into this in more detail than I can at the moment.
Well, try at joseki repertoire for mid-kyu players, or enclosure opening. Of course it is in a sense ridiculous to have more on the nadare than on the tsukehiki line; but the joseki pages here are subject to organic growth where people are interested. No one has yet become excited or even practical about putting a joseki dictionary here. Charles Matthews
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