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The Art of Kibitz

'Kibitzing' is adding commentary to an ongoing game. There are at least two ways for this:

Serious Kibitz
Often performed in a side room which has a copy of the game, by strong players and with the serious intention of explaining and discussing the game. On the Go servers, kibitzing can be performed by any observer, and the players will only see it afterwards in the gamefile (if at all).
Animated Kibitz
Often much more informal and within earshot of the players, sometimes even with the involvement of the players themselves. (Not to be confused with Argue The Opponent Into His Move which is a bad habit if the game is serious).

Much fun has been had with the art of 'animated' kibitz - here are some quotes:

  • Interesting how a move next to a good move can be so bad.
  • Normally that would work, but in this context, there is no hope.
  • Normally that wouldn't work, and now is not any different.
  • Why has he connected two dead groups?
  • Not bad, exchanging 30 points of territory against influence facing the opponents wall, but I wonder if that's what he wanted?
  • He obviously hasn't read page 43 in 'Attack and Defense'
  • This is a new Joseki
  • There are exceptions to 'the empty triangle is bad', but this isn't one of them, is it?
  • Amazing that that much thought still produces a bad move.

-- Morten Pahle


On a side note, "Kiebitz" is the German name for a bird (Vanellus vanellus, 30 cm) , you can hear it [ext] here. -- OneEye

  • (Pro comment:) Oh! Strong move!! But... maybe... THIS (another move) better!!! -- Attributed to Nakayama Noriyuki

-- AvatarDJFLux

Seen on a really amateur level on Yahoo!-Go:

click (white just captured a piece which was throwing in on his 15 stone group)
White: In your face!
Black: Darn... didn't see that...
Casual(?) Observer: hmmm... so, why doesn't black just snapback and capture the group?
All: ...
Black: Click (snapback)
White: F!CK YOU!!! Outside inteference! I demand you cancel this game!
Observer 2: That group was dead anyhow, ya know...
White: Really?
Black: Are you sure?
Observer1: I think you should BOTH concede, and hit your tsumego...

(moved the following from [Kibbitzing] - thanks to JG's comment there.)

On the base of some old, traditional gobans there is a carved depression.

It is quite apocryphal to say that this was for the blood of spectators who were too audible.



This is a copy of the living page "Kibitz" at Sensei's Library.
(OC) 2004 the Authors, published under the OpenContent License V1.0.