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Taking a break? Go ahead and add what's on your mind right now. Alternatively, take a look at some go humour. Motto for today:Only the body is shed; the mind is forever in the maze of 19 lines-Touya Kouyo, Hikaru no Go Game 149 Happy New Year Everyone! (You may change the motto of the day, but please save the old motto in Old Mottos.) 30 January 2004
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27 January 2004 Dan Argent: I was just thinking, as I sit here sipping my caramel java here at the coffee machine. How is this site funded. I have found that arno is the founder and maintainer here, but this can't be a small drain on his pocket book if he is paying for it by himself. Like most open sorce pages I haven't seen the polite request of a paypal donation just in case you want to get the warm fuzzy feeling. I also haven't seen any advertisments, which is how the more evel of the free services survive. so I think to myself, prhaps arno here is filthy rich... perhaps he's realy Bill Gates... But wiki stikes me as something completely un-Gatesish so that could never happen. Oh well, somethings will never be known. (more of my useless rambelings) Morten - Well, Mr 'Silver' you were expected to pay for that caramel Java coffee... :-) Seriously, the only real cost on SL is the domain registration. The hosting of the site is kindly donated by a third party. Dan Argent: It just seems like there are a lot of pages on SL. Why is some random third party donating so much server space to the site? Morten It is not the server space but the bandwidth/processor time used (most pages are created on the fly) which might be an issue. Anyhow, isn't it nice to know that we live in a world where this is still possible? 11 January 2004 Just a dumb question, if you allow me: Does the supercute mascot at the top left of sensei's pages have a name? How about its own page? Just curious.
mAsterdam: Just Arno: well, we could give them names like (Disney did to) the seven dwarfs: dopey,doc,sleepy,happy,sneezy, ... Of course, I can see that Andreas would argue that stones should be indistinguishable from each other, so giving names to them is against their "we are all equal stones" mantra :o) Dan Argent: On the SL main page, there is a link at the bottom to the cartoonist's website. I went there and there are many drawings of go stones. I asume our particulr favorite has a name but the site is in a language that I do not speak and I was unable to tell. I beleive it is German or another similar language of the Indo-European branch. If anyone who thinks they might speak it goes to the web site mabee they can figure it out. ("actualy posted of Jan 27th")
Zarlan: Yes it is in German. A language that I know and like. But if you follow the link above, you will see a bunch of stones holding different flags for the choice of different languages, such as Dan Argent: I read through the english cartoons (thanks for the link Zarlan, I just thought they were international go stones). Unfortunatly I couldn't findany referances to the name of our particular stone. I did notice that tehre were some sectons of the site that were only in german. Did you find any referances to a name Zarlan? If we can't find what the name is, mabee a german speaker could drop the cartonist an e-mail and ask. 9 January 2004
EncyGoPédie a french wiki about Go based on the GoWiki code has opened some days ago. See: 4 January 2004
David Foale: Anyone fancy a game of go-jujitsu? 23 December 2003 Dieter: The funniest thing happened to me today. I was reviewing a game of mine which I remembered I had lost. I wanted to identify the three biggest mistakes in my game. While I was busy reviewing Black's mistakes (mine, that is), I kept thinking "My, what a strong player this White was. If only I could play like that". In the end I became aware of Black having the advantage. A few moves later White resigns. So I checked the info and it turned out I was White. I often feel stupid but this time I definitely outperformed my own foolishness. TJ: I found one self-review particularly helpful. I was happily smiling at the bad moves black was making against me as white, and how my plan was coming together nicely while black was trying the silliest things. Predictably, I eventually wondered what I was thinking playing a few moves later on, since I couldn't find the continuations, and realized I'd mixed up the games and I had black in this one. The removal of my ego during the review, since I was identifying with white, really opened my eyes.:) 22 Dec 2003
mAsterdam: Look at this if you like 21 Dec 2003 The year is drawing to an end and Floris Barthel and Jan van Rongen have a goban at stake between them. Any chance this long anticipated game will take place? mgoetze: Uhm, why did you make your question the motto of the day, Stefan?[1] Anyway, as far as I can see, last time Jan and Floris played an even game on KGS (November 21st), Jan won by 8.5 points. Stefan: No other reasons then that it has a nice end-of-year flavour to it, that I was certain it would grab some attention and that I'd really like to see whether Floris can beat a 2 dan after less than one year of play. 20 Dec 2003 Anonymous: I can beat anyone on 9x9... I just give them 80 handicaps heh heh. gimpf: And then use Area Scoring... 14 Dec 2003 mgoetze: Just an opinion: I think Dieter's time would be much better spent lobbying against silly pages like Throwing the Board Against the Wall Denting the Wall and the Board Prior to Uppercutting Your Opponent than the numerous (much more on-topic) KGS-related pages... (Sebastian:) Thanks for bringing this up. I think SL is experiencing an attitude problem. I've always been for meta discussions, but the current adrenalin-drenched personal attacks are really counterproductive. For one, there's no reason why Dieter shouldn't state his opinion politely, as he did. SL thrives from respectful dispute. BTW, he even came around eventually. Secondly, why should he fight humourous pages? Many people enjoy a little humour once in a while. Incidentally, here's another example which just happened: Person A posted a silly request on a wishlist. It made me chuckle. Enter B, who berates A's joke as "frivolous". Enter C, who states that A was frivolous, but pointedly adds: "please ignore B's comments". And so on... Are we a pack of wolves?
Please, fellow deshis, let's treat each other with a bit of respect. We're all thinking people, or we wouldn't be here (but watching reality TV). We also all make mistakes, or we wouldn't be here (but in Japan as professionals). If someone makes an inconsequential silly joke or mistake, just chuckle. If you feel you have to purge it, do a WME of that page when the dust has settled. That's just my advice, but I think it would make SL a better place both for editors and readers. mgoetze: Seriously though, I don't think we need pages like blowte and d'ohsuji. Tamsin: I think some people are taking things a bit too seriously. This was never meant to be a religious order with strict rules, but a fun place to exchange ideas about go. What's wrong with a little inoffensive humour (e.g., "blowte")? In my view, two people (you know who you are) have been behaving over-zealously, and need to relax a little bit. Sensei's Library is not important and it's not sacred. I can tolerate a little silliness, but self-appointed moral guardianship (i.e., without a mandate either from SL's creators or larger readership) is much harder to accept. mgoetze: It's not that I don't have a sense of humour (if not I probably would not have added a certain bit to the KGS Wishlist recently...), but I disapprove of the chuckle-once, litter-the-wiki-forever attitude of these pages. I would rather see such jokes posted on a certain set of humour pages, or at here at the coffee machine. And BTW, you haven't seen me get serious and I'm sure you wouldn't want to. ;) Hu: And yet your additions to TheCaptain are supposed to be the height of hilarity? Are you trying to tell us that directing wms to go chase the rules completionist detail you directed him to is the kind of humor we should emulate? Like putting a rug over a hole in the floor. I think the Blowte and D'ohsuji are great fun and more sophisticated than the stupid uppercut junk. Silly is one thing, stupid is another. mgoetze: Uhm, I'm glad you found the page about The Captain humorous, even though I intended it all to be somewhat serious. As for the Wishlist, I only made a minor point, and then some people came along either taking it waaaay too seriously or making some completely wrong assertions to bloat the point up far beyond what it is worth... Now why is it that despite Sebastian's appeal I'm not feeling very respected here just now? (And BTW, could someone please delete the Saddam page?) Hu: Read carefully. Clearly I am highly skeptical the quotes on TheCaptain page are humourous. On the wish list you took 269 words to make what you are now calling a minor point. If you want respect, don't waste people's time. Rafael: BTW, I didn't take Goetze's point so seriously as he assumes... Fhayashi: You know, the funny thing is, a few days ago, I stopped myself from posting here about the 'humorous' pages here. I then realized that there is a 'go humour' keyword, so I didn't enter it. The gist of it was that 'go humor' isn't really funny. Would you laugh at 'chess humor'? Or amateur bicycle racing humor? (Have you heard the one about the Cat. 6 racer?) I think it boils down to the fact that it's just too easy to enter stuff in a wiki. Everyone should be encouraged to think thoroughly as to whether your contribution is worth taking up someone's hard drive space. (Sebastian:) I agree with "easy", but not with "too". It is even easier to delete content than to create it. Admittedly, on average content gets more often created than deleted. But Arno doesn't see this as a problem, so why should we? If anyone sees a problem with some text, then the wiki concept allows to simply delete it. However, please let's keep in mind that, like brainstorming, SL thrives on an atmosphere that is hospitable and conducive to contributions from a variety of viewpoints. Therefore, let's try to minimize frustrating well-meaning contributors. This can be done by
Hu: Rather than deleting, the solution is more discussion (Jefferson). Eventually stuff gets moved off the page or WME'd away. SL is, as I've said before, a kind of distillery. More mash gets added into a fermenting flask, the mixture boils and froths, and elixir is produced. Eventually the spent mash gets thrown out. Arno's remarks are very eloquent. I advocate my positions forcefully but sincerely want to maintain good relations with all. For example, mgoetze and I are friends despite being contentious on a page or two. (Sebastian:) I agree with both paragraphs. Another example is that you sincerely apologize for any mistakes. All's well that ends well! 10 Dec 2003 Could someone please move this into the right spot? (maybe GoComicStrips) I'm new to editing and posting messages. Also feel free to correct spelling, grammar, pronunciation or my handwriting ;) Thanks. "Favourite Almost Sente Strip"
The number of comic strips at regards, Kamil
Rafael: Kudos to Regginos and the newly born Kamil, apparently you edited this page while I was editing. Didn't you get a warning that someone was editing the page? BTW, I thought I should have got a warning saying that someone had saved the page while I was editing it. What's the expected behavior (supposing I took less than 10 minutes)? I only realized Kamil had edited it when I saw the RecentChanges. (Sebastian:) A similar (or the same?) edit conflict occurred between Hu and me on December 8. See GuineaPigsFeedback. Rafael: I know. But in my case it was different in that I didn't get any warning when I pressed Save. Fhayashi: Has someone banned the ip address of the guy who keeps putting up diagrams and phrases in what appears to be Spanish or Portuguese? Or maybe someone should attempt to clue him in? Dieter: It looks more like Catalan to me. So I'm inclined to quote Basil Fawlty: "Never mind him, he's from Barcelona."
Rafael: In the FrontPage it was Portuguese, in DistanceFromFrontPage it was Catalan. 9 Dec 2003 Dieter: The Milano tournament, part of the Toyota Tour, is won by Cornel Burzo. Second came Radek Nechanicky. 2003 Dec 5 Tamsin: A sad day indeed. O Meien lost his Oza title to Cho U. I hope O will come back strongly next year. kokiri: Happy day - Cho U wins the Oza to add to his Honinbo title. ;-) Seriously though, it seems like there's a new generation of Go players in Japan starting to move to the fore - Cho, Honinbo/Oza; Yamashita Keigo and Hane Naoki fighting out the Kisei and Tengen titles. Are these players in their 20s going to be the ones to fight the recent Korean dominance of professional go? Stefan: Let's hope so. We're living in interesting times, go wise. Tamsin: See, nobody agrees with me ever. :-) Charles: Hah! I can prove you wrong by agreeing with that ... mAsterdam: Well, why don't you? 2003 Nov 22 Tamsin: Happy Birthday, O Meien-sensei! I have added a lot to A Cautionary Tale recently. Please enjoy it and let me have your thoughts. I would like to change the title. I wondered about "Queen of Go" or somesuch, but maybe that's a little corny. Also, a title that captures something of the sinister streak in Caitlin's make-up would be good. Suggestions please! 2003 Nov 19 Mdh: My wife came back from a trip to San Francisco last week and told me an interesting Go note. Due to a large Chinese population, they have shows or a channel that are in Chinese much like you see Spanish stations across much of the country. She came across a show where there was a lady teaching Go. Or at least she thought it was Go since she recoginized the board and the stones similar to what she had seen me use. Can anyone confirm any of this? 2003 Nov 15
Naustin: Thanks to both of you for your comments. I started up acrobat reader and left it open before I went to 2003 Nov 14 Naustin: I'm not sure this is completely appropriate here as it's more of a computer question but it has to do with me using computers for go stuff so... On gobase there is a book there by Charles Matthews called Shape Up. This was set up so you could look at chapters individualy. It probably still is for everybody else but awhile ago I downloaded a client program for KGS and since then I haven't been able to view any of the chapters. Part of why I think it has to do with that client program is because I had to download this whole special java package that I guess handles java differently than how my computer used to. It was alittle too complex for me. Anyhow every time I try to look now I get the message "Plugin Error: The plugin did not initialize properly." I have emailed gobase to see if they have any suggestions but they never responded. I am wondering if anyone has encountered a problem like this before and/or has any suggestions. I have tried fiddling around with the Java programs control panel but I really don't know what I'm doing and I never seem to have any effect. Thanks. wms: Can you give me the URL? If the page requires the original java component of MSIE, then right, you may be in trouble. But this would be unusual. The java system that KGS asks you to install is very new, and should be able to run all the programs that the MSIE builtin java plugin can. I mean, you could if you wanted write a program that only ran on the older one, but I can't see why gobase would do that! If I can see the page I can find out exactly what plugin they are looking for and talk to them about filing a solution. gimpf: This does not look like a Java problem to me - more that IE cannot start Acrobat Reader anymore. You should still be able to view the pdf-Files by downloading them and start them via Explorer - and first you could try just to reinstall Acrobat Reader too. 2003 Nov 11 Neil: I'm beginning to wonder if SL is capable of catering to a diverse audience. Is this a site for Dan-level players playing chilled go or what? :-) Charles: Does the coffee machine only serve iced tea? Not true - all tastes catered for here. 2003 Nov 9 Naustin: Hi, yes, I was wondering if anyone could direct me to the instant 9p page? 2003 Nov 7 Tamsin: Another update to A Cautionary Tale. Caitlin arrives in Japan. 2003 Nov 6 KjeldPetersen I have a question, and I hope that someone could help me. Somewhere on the internet there is a pdf-file with a whole 19x19 board diagram in correct scale. I have earlier located this file, but now I cann't find it. Are there someone who know the link to the page where I can find this file?
Icepick: Google knows all:
David: I've made one too, in PostScript, which you can convert to
PDF. It uses the dimensions at Equipment Dimensions by default, but
you can edit it to use different ones, or to change the size of the
board. 2003 Oct 20 Chris Hayashida: What's the etiquette/copyright for e-publishing problems or things like that from Sensei's? There's the SL Copyright page, but I don't understand it. I just want to send an attachment to my weekly newsletter with a beginner's problem. Would I need to include something in the .sig of the e-mail? Or would merely citing the problem as "coming from Sensei's Library" be enough?
What do you guys think about the coup in the AGA? I'm getting a lot of e-mails this morning, and I have no idea what's going on. Malweth: I think it's all just crazy politics. And the repercussions? Well... for one, everyone who gets the AGA newsletter has lost a lot of faith in the organizational leadership. Additionally, nobody in the leadership will be able to think their position is safe until the next elections- which inhibits their ability to do their jobs. The real question I have is why the impeachement occurred. It sounded like it was simply a difference in style or opinion. JohnAspinall At the risk of injecting US state and national politics into SL, and trying to keep my opinion of those politics in the background, it's hard not to draw parallels between what's happening in the AGA, and what's happened nationally in the past few years. (Sebastian:) Parallel, maybe. But there's one deciding difference: The AGA is a relatively young organization, and is excused for having problems growing up. Morten Many people would say the same about the US of A .. ;-) 2003 Oct 16 PurpleHaze: Why do some pages never show up in RecentChanges? For an example InfluenceGo. Is this a bug or is there some tag set on the page? Sebastian: That's my fault. I set InfluenceGo to be an ongoing game so that it shows up in that list before I was aware (well, duh) that this takes it out of the normal Recent Changes list. Maybe we should move the game into a separate page InfluenceGoGame1?. malweth: I'm looking for players/groups in Rhode Island. The closest is Somerset, MA - which is ok for tournaments, but a long way for weekly meetings! I wouldn't mind starting a club, but I'm fairly on the weak side. 2003 Oct 11 Phlegmatic: I've had a few handicap games recently where my White has attached to my 4,4 stone at the 3,4 point. There don't seem to be any pages discussing this move and its continuations. Could someone please point me in the right direction, or perhaps start a page detailing any relevant Joseki? 2003 Oct 08
RafaelCaetano: Very interesting 2003 Sep 29 Scryer: I didn't want to deface the Go Proverbs section with this question, so I'll ask here -- can anyone tell me where I read this one? "What manner of go player is this who does not know whether his stones are alive or dead?" It might have been in my copy of Smith, which hasn't turned up recently, but it's certainly not in Go Proverbs Illustrated -- it's more of a meta-proverb, I suppose. Yes, scryer, it is Smith's book, page 52, a poem. "Iki shini wo Shiranu nonki no Go uchi kana" compliments of HAL9000. Scryer: Excellent, thank you. I'm not crazy after all! A followup for someone who knows Japanese: the form is evidently a Haiku, but I count only six syllables in the second line. Is one of the vowels long? Nonki is 3: No-n-ki. 2003 Sep 27 Kungfu: Hi, just checking in. I fixed two gobase.org links where the tail was "...stories/#.html", the links were changed to the new format "...stories/?id=#". I'm unsure of how many other links on the site need to be changed, perhaps someone can look into this. - kungfu Deebster: I could only find one, which I've now changed. kungfu: Thanks. And here is something from my page which I have moved here: mAsterdam: Hi, Kungfu. Maybe Smart Go Format should be an alias to SGF? kungfu: I don't know how to change that. mAsterdam: Done. I added your links to the linklist. (also added Smart Game Format.) Ok? 2003 Sep 12 Tamsin: More additions to A Cautionary Tale. Is Caitlin falling in love? I know my prose is poor and that the story is moving too quickly, but with your help I can improve it. And at least it's fun. 2003 Sep. 09 Can go be combined with GoMoku by stating that one may win either as in go or as in gomoku? (that is, a regular game of go, but 5 stones in a row (including diagonally) wins)? -Juuitchan HolIgor: As far as I know in GoMoku Narabe the black has very tough time to defend against. So, the game you propose would degenrate into gomoku very fast. But try make it 6 in a row (rokumoku narabe) and you can have a variant of the game that could be interesting. Yet, my own feeling is that go is too good as it is. Juuitchan: I wonder if there are T-shirts that say: "Who needs girls when you have GO?" I think that those would be cool. Charles They might ensure that you don't have the difficult choice in future, certainly. Fhayashi I don't know why, but I really like the British sense of humor. Or humour. On a separate note, why was the Go section of the MSO World website discontinued? Charles The company MSO Worldwide Ltd. was wound up in May 2001. RafaelCaetano I guess I´m not so fanatical about go as Juuitchan, but SungHwaHong´s proverb doesn´t seem so far-fetched: "you can't reach first kyu until you've lost three girlfriends to Go". :-) Here 1-kyu is in the Korean sense, that is, the top of the amateur scale. 2003 September 05 Similar to the current motto: "Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement." Dang, KGS is down... - Fhayashi 2003 September 03 Nico: On the same idea, I cannot access the BigTitles page from my office. 2003 August 13th Zarlan: That is the most stupid kind of way to classify things. It often tends to classify things falsely. On an online-game I used to play, they have a similar system to censor stuff. My brother once had the word "sluta" in his sentence (a swedish word. basicly the same as the english verb stop). It came out as ****a. 2003 August 12th SiouxDenim: Dieter, sorry to change your comment below about male chickens ever so slightly, but your chosen word was causing my office's firewall to classify the SL site as pornographic. Without SL I'll actually have to do work. Not desirable. 2003 August 11th Tamsin: Please have a quick look at my new picture. Can you tell which Buddha is which? :-) 2003 August 1st DJ: No one is playing On Going Games anymore... Let's say it's because of summer vacations, but next September I'd like everybody back in the classroom! [1] I reinstated Arno's motto. --dnerra previous versions (before WMEs):
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