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Judging forcing plays 3 discussion
Klaus: Having Bill: What other story? PatrickB: I agree - is it another story? This makes white a little heavier, but black has more heavier stones on the board that also don't have as much aji nearby that I can see. I mean, I'm not that strong, but how does black respond to a white play around a now, for example? To me, it looks like either:
Of course, I could be seriously wrong about this...
PatrickB: (Followup) Hmm, a black forcing move at b after white a and before defending on the left might actually be a problem for the idea of a white play at a. White starting at b aiming at a seems sketchy as well, as that in turn weakens whites marked stones...
SnotNose: The main question in my mind is: what damage can White do with two targets, the
White seems thin here.
White is helping Black connect weak groups this way. There must be something better.
White a next? If Black moves to the left, White will split between the two baseless groups. Still, I'm not happy with White's initial plays since she has to work hard to make a resiliant shape before attacking.
Klaus: I think the discussion has been misleading in one mayour point: Black might choos to threaten
DJ: Mmmhh... It seems to me that this discussion, interesting as it may be, lost sight of the original question: Is
Well, is
Klaus: sorry, sorry, sory, I wanted to sacrifice the dangoid
![]() ![]() DJ Well, I think the dangoid? is not sacrificeable either... :-) Klaus: It is! If white should start attacking it at once, black might choose to atack ![]()
As I see the position,
As it is, IMVVHO the position is pretty fluid: both players have groups with unsatisfactory shape, and none of them can really engineer a severe attack. I think that the move PatrickB suggested (a) goes in the right direction if White wants to accomplish something. A Black play at b could maybe be answered by White c, at which moment the black dangoid has to run somewhere: the question then is: while running can it try to counter-attack White's
If I had to play as White, I would try to avoid committing myself toward my two stones in the TL, and move instead toward the dangoid, trying to build some thickness against it. I would then use this thickness to go in help of the mentioned two stones, if possible attacking I wouldn't like a Black play at c, so I may play there myself... Difficult, neh? Bill: The boshi at c in the original diagram is worth thinking about. This is a copy of the living page "Judging forcing plays 3 discussion" at Sensei's Library. ![]() |