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BQM87
Keywords: Joseki, Question
mAsterdam: At 3-3 point shoulder hit there is this piece:
Variation 4: stretching once more (not joseki)
Another stretch at 1 is considered slow as it pushes from behind. Therefore it is not joseki. However, depending on the global position this can be a good choice. However, depending on the global position this can be a good choice.
Charles Matthews On the particular question:
When there is this white stone in place, it makes sense to play
How about crawling in a situation like this, where there are black stones placed to minimize the influence of the growing white wall? Is it worthwhile for Black to continue crawling? - Fhayashi
unkx80: Consider playing
Charles There are few pro examples for this 3384 formation; in Hane Yasumasa-Cho Chikun 1986-08-21 Black played directly at dnerra: Just to elaborate a bit on what unkx80 meant by crude (in the spirit of this page...):
Black's shape is nothing of beauty, and certainly not connected. I think that omitting the
Andre Engels: I found two professional games where this move was played. In both cases the
The presence of the
Dieter: It's hardly surprising André found only two games. The initial position is one where White has two wide extensions from the 3-3 point. Probably both were part of some side pattern, but anyway, Guo Juan gave me a severe warning against this. On the general issue: it's a very big one. Comment moved to joseki context. Dieter: As for There is more to this. I am not going to tell the morons, but, dearest in-the-know-just-like-me-friends, I do know. I was the one making the allegedly arrogant remark. What I meant was: "This is considered slow, but it is not a mistake in the sense that it is never playable. Depending on the global context it is certainly worth considering." And I do not at all claim that I know which circumstances allow the move and which don't. I just want to warn against automatic play. Charles I know what mAsterdam meant; unfortunately the only way not to be annoyed by joseki books is not to read them. Here on SL we can use hypertext to add large numbers of notes; but still not enough, probably. mAsterdam To both Dieter and Charles: Thank you very much for your answers. Maybe stating the obvious: My grumble was meant as a little wake-up call. I did not want to offend the author, in this case Dieter. I really do understand that the way I read the remark does not reflect the author's intentions. I made that type of side-remark while explaning things (not go :-) many times until I realized what the effect could be. Now I try to either define a topic or not, and only hint at something vague when there should be a sequel. Hyperlinks to the rescue! I will edit the text at 3-3 point shoulder hit. I hope I'm doing it right. This is a copy of the living page "BQM87" at Sensei's Library. ![]() |