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30 November: Arno: unkx80 you are right. I didn't check while cleaning up "LetItBe". Removed both pages.

unkx80: Thanks.

30 November: Arno: Charles (and others): I have created a (interim) page called MissingPeopleKeyword. If you remove all pages from there which are not people, I can set the people keyword by a simple database query. Should save you some work otherwise. Also, I think about removing all keywords from Alias pages. Any objections?

Charles That's now done, assuming I've understood correctly.

Arno: great, thanks. Set keyword on all 49 pages. Will remove interim page soon. Any other queries, updates where I can help? What about removing keywords from alias pages? Comments?

Charles Really, I don't mind so much. But I suppose it would imply that the main name of a page should be really the most representative? I mean, if there are choices to be made between nozoki and peep on some Tactics list, I prefer peep. But others will disagree.

While we are doing housework - Undefined pages. This seems quite important to me, as providing growth points for SL. But is it simply going to grow and grow? Having visited other wikis, I can see that SL is actually quite good for defined pages. In some sense if the undefined pages list becomes too long, I'm never going to have a good feeling about reducing it. Is there some way to subdivide it, without losing information?

Arno: I can think of several ways:

  • order it by number of referring pages: of the 370 undefined pages only about 40 are referenced from two pages or more.
  • order it by lastmodified date of referring page.
  • order it by pagetype or keywords or referring page.

Don't know if this is helpful though...

With a little bit more work, it could be possible to let people assign keywords and pagetypes to the undefined pages without creating them, thus making some kind of sorting possible. How about that?

Charles Reverse date order would seem to be useful - if it's not much work.

20 November Bill: Skelley, OCWED is hilarious. It belongs in the DSM-5. ;-)

Skelley: Yes... pity the DSM-5 is not a Wiki, I'd put it there myself if I could...

20 November Bill Spight: Yesterday when I posted Tenuki is Always an Option I referred to some advice about tenuki given by Pieter Mioch on rec.games.go. In condensing what he said I am afraid that I misrepresented him. Pieter, please accept my apologies. I have removed the reference. I hope that meets with your approval. :-)

20 November Jasonred: Gads, yes, you would not believe the number of times I start winning games due to sorta smart tactical moves, nakade, successful cuts... and then MY RIGHT FLANK COLLAPSES CAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE 2 STONES WERE IN ATARI!!! Since that was part of my MAIN wall protecting like 50 territory or so, that more or less concludes the game in my opponents favour... mind you, I have managed to grab the win anyhow, once or twice, from having an early lead, or throughdamage limitation, but... no matter how you look at it, it is the sign of being an incompetant newbie amatuer...

20 November unkx80: Hi Jasonred, it seems to me that you need to practice more in identifying capture and atari in positions. Good luck in your quest in learning Go! =)

19 November Jasonred : Thanks, confused, I don't know why I didn't see that, haven't gotten used to reading in terms of odd and even numbers instead of white and black I think. Since that was a silly mistake, I just got rid of the whole thing.

18 November IronMan: Hi! Where can I buy a book called Godouban Joutatsuhou (Go Super Book 2) by Fukui Masaaki, Published by The Nihon Ki-in, 2000, ISBN 4-8182-0478-1 C2376, about 5x5 problems? I tried Nihon ki in but they donīt respond my e-mail.. Thanks!

Charles Matthews [ext] http://imaginatorium.org/books/aj.htm is a way into the Japanese Amazon, run by Brian Chandler. Since you have the ISBN, it might be possible to use this. I doubt the Nihon Ki-in are interested in single copy book orders.

18 November Bill: Thanks, ChessWhiz. :-) As for the game, I lost on time.
Thanks, Skelley, for clarifying the Erratum 6 page. :-)

Skelley: You are welcome, Bill. I am new here, so I've still a lot to learn, but I think I will manage :)

14 November ChessWhiz: It's nice to have you back, Bill! Don't forget, it's still your move in Game33... :-)

11 November Charles, I undid your renaming of AbsolutSente. Hope you don't mind. I also fixed the absolut part of it. --Arno

No problem. For the record, Absolut is a vodka brand. Charles Matthews

5 November Can somebody provide a pointer to the game of TsumegoFromGames18 ? I cannot find it. Jan van Rongen

4 November Dieter, gomen, that was my own fault... I edited my own question too quickly, cause the solution came to me as I was reading the page again... should have spent more time on the preview! Anyhow, I think that we were actually both editing my earlier question AT THE SAME TIME. Except I finished my second contribution before you finished replying to my first, thus killing my second... if that makes any sense?

Hu: I wonder if a similar thing might have happened to me in the past few days, leading to edits disappearing. Something I'll look out for.

4 November Jasonred, Arno, something strange happened. It seems as if I have deleted stuff by Jasonred in KanazawaSolutionTwo. What I did was editing on his earlier question. He edited his own question while I edited his too. Instead of giving me the usual warning, SL accepted my contribution, thereby wiping out his second contribution. --Dieter

Arno: Silly me! I removed the check while moving to the new server in order to restore some pages. Fixed now. Sorry for the inconvenience. Hu, I don't think that was the case with your edits. See GuineaPigsFeedback. Apparently, you never pressed "save". Maybe it happened with one of your later edits.

29 October Sbaguz: Help ! I haven't been able to download Hikaru's manga from Toriyama's world site since yesterday (the page can't be found ...) !!! Did it happen to somebody else or it's a problem of my connection?

HolIgor: It might be because they ran out of the bandwidth in the end of the month. Don't panic. When they are not online after November 1st, then you may start to.

Sbaguz: Thanks. I'm postponing my panic.

27 October Arno: Hu, if you'd like to rename a page, then tell us so. Librarians can rename pages. I think renaming is better than creating/erasing the page with the new/old name. It preserves the history. I'll undo SecondLine and rename it.

Hu: Ah, thank you. Yes, a better way. I've also done the same thing with The Fourth Line Page and The Third Line Page, so there are now three orphan aliases. I'm sorry for the inconvenience I've caused.

Arno: Ok, renamed pages. No need to apologize :o) I appriciate your contributions.

26 October dnerra: Oops, sorry Dieter for misattributing your page about keima and iken tobi to Charles. I had just seen the "last edited by" credits to Charles and not looked at the page history. Anyway, I suggest I'll WikiMasterEdit the page to make it less discussion-like once the discussion on the keima cut has settled a bit.

19 October Bill Spight: My apologies to Dave and everyone for dropping out so abruptly. Life changes. I like what has been happening here. :-) I'll still contribute from time to time.

Welcome back Bill! We've missed you. DaveSigaty

19 October TristanJones It appears we have a "WikiVandal" on the loose again. Little does this person know that the content he is deleting can be restored, anyway. So, if you are the vandal and are reading this, please be aware that your spiteful little acts are not even effective! Please do grow up and cease this pitiable behaviour.

14 October Arno, that 104/114 wasn't a typo by HolIgor but by me - he had written "d" but that wasn't available any more after I had played there. Fixed, thanks. --dnerra

4 October Dieter restructured the ReferenceSection. Please compare with the previous version because I kicked out a few and added a lot. Maybe the whole idea of a rigourous ReferenceSection is not very Wiki ...

3rd Oct Restructured StartingPoints. If you feel that there are other pages worth being included, just go ahead.

29 September Welcome to the library, MatthewPeters. We hope you enjoy it (and fill its shelves). --Stefan
Also welcome to Skyhi and HuOfKGS.


27 september The library goes berzerk. We better wait for our admins to fix it. --Dieter

Arno: our server ran out of memory. We have made some place again, but somehow mysql is still not working right. I'm not sure I can fix it from here, have to talk to the sysadmin.

Update: wiki table was broken because of memory problem. Should work now. Apparently we lost one update to TsumegoFromGames14Attempts. If you see other anomalies please let me know ....

25 September 2002 I've been a-lurking here for a while, but thanks for the greeting Dieter! TristanJones

25 September 2002 Glad you made it to the library, Tristan. Welcome ! Dieter

22 september 2002 WikiOrphans reorganized. On your marks, set, Go ! --Dieter

12 September 2002 Stefan: All (SAS), I've made the NamesInGo page jumpable, but it doesn't look 100% satisfying. Feel free to comment if you don't like it (or remove if you're the action-oriented type).


5 september 2002, 13:40 CET

I insist that this page be used for messages to people currently present and not for messages of general interest. We have the LibraryLobby, MetaDiscussion, the CoffeeMachine etc. to make such notices. Maybe we simply have too much of these pages. --Dieter

I must admit I never quite understood the subtle differences between them. (Oops, that comment may belong to MetaDiscussion...) --dnerra

Morten :-) Unfortunately, many people are unaware that e.g. SLCopyRight exists. I thought that posting the message here was sure to attract attention from the esteemed deshis which frequent this site ;^)

5 September 2002

Morten Some of the issues of SLCopyright have become relevant lately, and I feel that many of our deshis may have strong opinions on some of the issues at SLCopyright or SLCopyRightDiscussion. Please share them with us.


Scartol: When I was learning the basics of go, I became very confused by comments along the lines of Bent four in the corner is dead. Statements like these rest upon assumptions about the chuban and yose, and if these assumptions aren't met, then the statement becomes false (ie, a bent four in the corner may live in ko, if the attacking side starts the ko fight before all the ko threats have been eliminated).

Therefore, I wonder if it may be more useful to say: "Bent four in the corner is nearly dead," as it points in the same direction, with the added bonus of illustrating that extra steps must be taken to assure its death. (Or maybe: "Bent four in the corner has suffered a grievous flesh wound and is barely gripping to life.")

Random thoughts from an English teacher.. (When he's supposed to be correcting papers!)

AvatarDJFlux: Perhaps such a discussion should be moved to the appropriate page... Fact is (for what I understand) that not all bent fours are dead, but some particular of them shapes definitely are... (and the Japanese rule refers to those). See for example the book "Get strong at life and death" (Kiseido), or to the never-praised-enough "Life and death" by James Davies (be God with him!)

Dieter: I have done a major update of BentFourInTheCorner and BentFourInTheCornerIsDead. Please read these pages and if something is unclear write your questions there or on a separate page and I will try to answer them. For the proverb to be changed worldwide is beyond our power.

29 August 2002

SAS, ah, you are indeed wise.

18 August 2002

Charles, two things:

1. I have been adding links where you did not. I hope it's ok. 2. I have been correcting the places where skillful is used. You write skilfull instead and you're English. Still can you reassure me - it is pretty awkward a word image. --Dieter

SAS: Both "skilful" (British) and "skillful" (American) are okay. But "skilfull" (if you really meant that) would be wrong.

Charles Matthews Skilful, skilfully - *skilfull is definitely wrong. I haven't learned all the tricks to link yet, so no problem if anyone else adds links.

ChessWhiz: Oh, and one more thing: please check the MinorEdit checkbox when you make such changes as the one you did on MiddleGame. Thanks!

8 August 2002

Morten I was going to go through the FAQ in peace and correct any remaining 'quirks' before linking to it from the 'visible' pages, but you guys beat me to it :-) Nothing can be hidden from those who read the FullRecentChanges. Anyway, you are all cordially invited to just read the RGG FAQ or to rip the Editable RGG FAQ to shreds :-) 'MetaComments', can be left at RGG FAQ on SL.

7 August 2002

Scartol: May I propose that we put PagesForBeginners on the StartingPoints page? As it is, a beginner has to go to StartingPoints and then click on ReferenceSection to get to the beginner stuff. It's right there on the main page, I see (after posting this comment -- duhh), but maybe it's a good idea to have it on StartingPoints too.

22 July 2002

lavalyn: The pathing in the Secret Art of War doesn't seem to be working right - quite a few new pages were created but aren't linking....

Arno: cannot verify this. Could you be more specific?

lavalyn: Pages Loot a burning house, Advance to Chencang by a hidden path, Conceal a dagger in a smile, Beat the grass to startle the snake, Replace the beams and pillars with rotten timber, Empty city ploy in the Secret Art of War - which all exist :) remain linked as edit fodder.

Arno: not on my screen. Try to reload the page (when using Netscape try shift+reload) . Maybe that helps?

lavalyn: no help from IE 6.0 - oh well, Mozilla behaves. I'll call back in two days if it still don't work :)

Arno: just checked - I guess there was a bug in my cache-check routines. Try with IE again. Should work now.

lavalyn: all good. Thanks.

22 July 2002

Stefan: There seems to be something wrong with the Question1? page. SAS, Dieter - did you move this or intend it for deletion?

SAS: Dieter moved the contents to MagneticStonesQuestion1. It looks like Arno has deleted the original page now.

Arno: yes I deleted it. It was no longer referenced from anywhere. Btw, librarians (and admins) can rename pages. But creating a new page and deleting the old is ok as well (but loses the history).

19 July 2002

Welcome Penta. --Dieter

17 July 2002

Dieter: Somehow even this RecentChangesJunkie failed to notice the creation of page number 2000. I understand unkx80 took the honour ? ''Quoting the frontpage : Right now Senseis Library contains 2143 pages. Last page modified 13 minutes ago. 71 pages edited during the last 24 hours.''

Hmm... You missed the creation of the page Page Number 2000? --unkx80

Dieter, you even got a "honourable mention" :o) --Arno

16 July 2002

to unkx80: call me blitz typer :o) --Arno

I was looking through the solutions and improving/consolidating some of them. Then I see you added the links for solutions 60 to 100 in that same period of time! --unkx80

15 July 2002

If you have some spare minutes, help us to add some links to the BeginnerExercise*Solutions. See FullRecentChanges on what unkx80 and I have added so far. Thanks. Oh, and don't forget to check that MinorEdit button. --Arno

To Karl, Gorobei: when inserting your comments into a longer passage of text please make sure that other's know where your comment starts and where it ends. See Influence and how it looked before phpwiki:?Influence:v9. --Arno

(KarlKnechtel responds: Heh... I actually had interpreted the entire original passage as Gorobei's... and then proceeded to make the same formatting blunder which had trapped me. ^^; )

Gorobei: Arno, my apologies, and thanks for correcting the formatting.

8 July 2002

I am quite impressed someone managed to break the 30 clicks/minute limit :-)) dnerra

Obviously he has amazing fast reading abilities. I'd say that makes him at least 1 dan in Europe ;o) --Arno




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