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Taking a break? Go ahead and add what's on your mind right now. Alternatively, take a look at some GoHumour. There's also a noticeboard with some matters not directly related to Go on it; and a go noticeboard for announcing Go related things that will expire sooner or later. Motto for today:A knight in Go is like a hotdog in a french restaurant. (You may change the motto of the day, but please save the old motto in OldMottos.) 2003 June 9 Does anyone own the 2-inch Agathis table board that is sold at Samarkand? Would like to know if it is any good. Maybe a Go Product Reviews? page would be interesting? - Fhayashi 4th June, 2003 Does anyone else find that, after browsing SL, they reach for the edit button on other (normal) sites? So far, the furthest I've got is a small twitch of the arm... June 3rd, 2003
Frs: April 27th, 2003 Arno: Useless fact of the day: SL recently passed 3 million page views. On average a page has been viewed every 26 seconds since October 2000. There have been about 56000 edits - so on average each version of a page has been viewed 54 times :o) April 25th, 2003 Hi! I'm very new to the site (and the game :p) so apologies if this is just me not being able to find my way around but I can't seem to find a forum section. If there isn't one I feel this could be a valuable addition to the site? If there is one it should be a little bit easier to find as I couldn't find it in MostPopular or with a keyword search. Anyways, thx in advance for any replies :). Regards, LovedInEmerald. Charles Matthews: Metadiscussion is often used - also Messages to people currently present in the Library. For technical issues use Guinea Pigs' Feedback. Morten: The whole site is sort of a forum, really. Deshis and/or Regular Users keep constant track of RecentChanges and are sure to respond to any changes anyone makes anywhere on the site :-) Grauniad: It seems the Library Lobby is intended to be a discussion forum, but is not very active. However, why does SL have Coffee Machine and Metadiscussion and Messages to people currently present in the Library? And Future use of SL? (And others?) Don't they all really serve the same purpose: discussion about Go and SL and its content and organisation? Any distinction between them is far from clear to users. (Guinea Pigs' Feedback is an exception in discussing the implementation and detailed structure of SL.) I suggest just one of these discussion pages be promoted on the front page and starting points and the others left to whither away. Charles What Library Lobby does at present is to index discussion pages. Dividing up the various forum pages is supposed to keep traffic on each to reasonable and readable, I suppose. April 18th, 2003 Congratulations, Sensei's Library: 6000 pages! Hu April 12th 2003 Phlegmatic: Is it possible to upload sgf's to SL, or do I have to do it the long way? I have an interesting life and death problem from a recent game that I'd like to share...
Hyppy: There is a April 5th 2003 Hyppy: If anyone is interested in the HNG Anime, head over to HikaruNoGoArchive. A discussion has started there regarding releasing the episodes on CD/DVD for other fans to see. March 28th 2003 Icepick If I modify Recent Changes will it create an endless loop? No. It will be registered as a change. If changes to RecentChanges made endless loops, so would changes to any other page --Morten Icepick Shucks. March 13th 2003 exswoo I'll be in Tokyo from March 14-23 and I was wondering if anyone knew of some good Go related places I could visit. I was planning on going to the Nihon Ki-in, but I'm still looking for some decent Go books and very few bookstores in Japan seem to have a decent section on Go (well...at least in the Kansai area). Charles Typical large bookstores in Tokyo do have a go section of a few shelves. At Japan cool places I mention the major second-hand book store: the prices are relatively high, but the number of titles is of the order of 1000. exswoo Thanks :) February 28th 2003 Phlegmatic - As a beginner I've found the Killing Shape page very useful, but its links are a bit confusing. The page states that if you almost fill a group's eyespace with the shapes under discussion, a kill will result. So far so good. However, follow the links and you'll see they don't really reflect this string of thought - e.g. it references the straight three page, which doesn't show this as a killing shape, but rather shows an eyespace that's a straight three and discusses life and death of that. Subtle difference I know, and smart people can work it out for themselves, but as it's such a useful basic page, would someone (who is better than me at these things....) be willing to inject a note of clarity into proceedings and tidy things up a bit? Hyppy - Done. February 27, 2003 Fhayashi - anyone else concerned that if Charles Matthews keeps writing his wonderful stuff here, he won't get more real books written? November 29 2002 Charles Another minor landmark passed: the People keyword now brings up over 1000 pages. One day I'll update Names in Go ... Arno: woowoo!!! :o) Thanks to all! Arno (again): I removed 55 'people' keywords from HomePages. Count dropped below 1000 again :o) HA! Charles Is this one of those 'modern management techniques' I read so much about? In the works of Scott Adams. Thanks, I guess. So now I ask my question about Random Page. I don't see People 20% of the time. So how pseudo-random is it? I know Knuth says somewhere one shouldn't be shocked at the answer to this type of question. Arno: The problem with Random Page is how it does "random". Pages have no index number and the database has no random function itself. So I came up with a quick hack: select a random point in time between creation of this wiki and "now" and select the nearest page created at that time. From the statistical point of view it is obvious that pages created during bursts of "new pages" are less likely to be selected. I guess I should change this. Then again, it doesn't have high priority, does it? Charles The priority is low. But the bias is clear, once explained; and is against active periods and discussion on SL.
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october 24, 2002: I'm sick of it. It's gotten so bad that I refuse to hit "done" until my opponent says something about the game. Is it really too much to ask that we briefly discuss what just happened? I'm not looking for a play-by-play review -- I just want to hear some thoughts on the game! I've been online as long as anyone, so maybe I should be used to this kind of idiot behavior. But it seems like Go demands a higher level of respect for one's opponent. Sigh.. -- Scartol HuOfKGS: I hope that rudeness is not the primary tactic adopted to combat rudeness. Not clicking "Done" does not encourage politeness, just the opposite. To encourage discussion, start discussing! Pay the opponent a compliment of some kind, and ask them a question. Jump on the KGS Editing Tools button and go to an interesting play. To discourage ratings obsession, play free games, give positive re-inforcement regarding what is a good game, and expose extreme obsession as a self-defeating strategy. Let ratings obsession collapse of its own weight, with a little help from ridicule. If they don't discuss, move on and play another more amenable opponent. Play enough and you will find many sociable opponents. Whatever happens, don't let your opponent's behavior control your mood. Harpreet: How is demanding this not bad as well? Is it so bad to just want to play games and not discuss? Not everyone sees the game the same way. I think in a teaching/handicap game this seems more important but in a regular game, I don't know. Seems not so strange that some just want to play and not talk. (I am not one of them in case you were wondering). "Solo": Scartol, please also take into consideration the fact that many people there (like me) have poor english skills. Seems like it twice easier to me to play a couple of games then to write down a couple of sentences in english. Honestly, it took about 10 minutes to write this remark.:) So I like the idea to discuss games... But not in real-time. Scartol: Oops! I started out with a note about people who don't speak English, but I decided to make it an afterthought instead, and then I forgot it completely. I have no beef with people who don't speak English. That's fine. I understand when a person has .jp in their email address, or .tw or what have you. No sweat. It's these twelve-year-olds with the US email accounts that I can't stand. Jasonred Obviously, you haven't been looking at the number of foreign students in Western countries lately. You'll still probably get the occasional person who has a different first language in living in the USA? heh, occasional... also, did you trounce them? It's more fun to discuss close games, but one sided things, or games where one player made a silly mistake which cost him the game, sometimes we just don't feel like talking about it, just pretend it never happened, at MOST say thank you, bye... Do pros sit down and discuss their games at the end of a tournament? Just wondering, I've never seen an actual Go match before.
To Hu and Harpreet: Maybe I'm not explaining well enough what's going on. I do try to use a positive attitude to persuade folks into a simple dialogue. I do pay compliments and try to highlight interesting plays/fights. (I'm just fishing for one comment, something along the lines of "yeah that center fight was big" or "i was bluffing in the corner"). But as soon as I choose "done", they fire off "thx" and they vanish. So my refusal to press "done" is the only way to get them to say anything. I'm not forcing anyone to have a lengthy discussion -- I just want a few words of human decency. It's like using your turn signal in traffic -- it just shows that you acknowledge the humanity of the person on the other side of the screen. I think we owe each other a little consideration. Ultimately, I guess this has a lot to do with how each of us views communication (and language as a subset therein), and I'm willing to admit that as an English teacher, I'm more touchy than most about this topic. But I also recognize that we have responsibilities as users of language to be respectful with it, and not to hide behind the modem cable in order to be lazy and disrespectful.
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SAS: It's Shikshina (Шикшина), not Shishkina. I've removed the inline image of her, as it doesn't seem to display properly if you don't already have it in cache. Anyone who wants to see it can find it at
july 18, 2002: I am very tempted to add your name in the Recent Changes Dealer list, but someone else has done it. =P --unkx80
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Check out There is also a reference to SL, guess which one :o) I propose a toast to SAS for all the new and interesting info linked from NamesInGo and BigTitles. Thanks, and cheers! Hi there-I am looking for local go clubs, is there a good USA resource for this? cellist, infinity k
Check out Go Places and/or Who's your FavouriteCharacterInHikaruNoGo ? KarlKnechtel: Anyone up for a game of DominGo? :)
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march 1, 2002: Arno: well, as long as neither of you starts throwing the board against the wall - denting the wall and the board - prior to uppercutting your opponent it should be a fair match :o) Thank god you play with clocks, so you can't spend too much time thinking, but you can still take off your socks then put them at the side of the board. Also, after the match you can point out mistakes after a lucky win :o)
march 4, 2002: Oh, and Arno: you had to encourage him to take off his socks, hadn't you?
--Dieter: I said "two librarians are meeting this weekend in the Oh, and I just launched my laundry machine. --Stefan: Aaah!! So you already knew the draw ahead of the weekend??? That's an amazing feat, considering we only made it Saturday morning!!! And who was it again I beat in the fourth round of that children tournament? Memorising stuff, you know... definitely not my forte :-)
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january 13, 2002: Bill: A ko threat is a kozai or kodate. :-) Arno: thx, Bill :o) Is there a generic term (not related to ko) as well? E.g. as in "threat to cut" or "threat to kill"? Bill: The common term is "nerai" (verb = "nerau"), meaning "aim". Occasionally a large follow-up is called "ni no ya", the "second arrow."
CoffeeMachine prior to 2001-Dec-31 has been archived at CoffeeMachine2001 This is a copy of the living page "Coffee Machine" at Sensei's Library. ![]() |