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A One-Dan Pro is Stronger than a Nine-Dan Pro
   

This statement relates to the present boom in Korean professional Go. The competition between the inseis aspiring to become pro is so fierce that, by the time they effectively turn professional, they are already strong enough to compete with the strongest professionals.

The Deutsche Go Zeitung relates that Alexander Dinerstein, 2000 European Champion (I don't know of 2001 EGC), amateur 7 dan, is currently studying to become pro in Korea in one of the MANY Baduk schools. He's in 9th grade, of ten, with 1st grade being the strongest, and thus seems to have no chance of joining the few (2-4) new professionals that come out each year. And Dinerstein can hold his own against Guo Juan, another European 7 dan (amateur), who is also Chinese 5p !!!

--Dieter Verhofstadt


He did make it as a pro, in 2002. Charles Matthews

Actually I don't know if Guo Juan is still a full strength 5p. She stopped playing in Pro tournaments, or is my info incomplete? From what I know pro strength diminishes if the player steps away from the pro arena. Because one of the strengths of a pro is the mental stamina required to play in very difficult (pro) games.

Just an opinion.

--Miron Brezuleanu, 6k.


You may be right that Guo is no longer at her full strength. However in the July issue of the European Rating List, Guo is at 2760 points. Catalin Taranu is at 2769, and he's a Nihon Ki-in 5 Dan professional. So she didn't fall too deep :-)

--Stefan


My information may be wrong, but from what I know Catalin Taranu is not playing much in amateur tournaments. Is the European Rating List updated if someone does well in the Oteai? On the other hand, Guo Juan is playing in amateur tournaments (so she probably gets points for the European list). But I don't know how the European Rating List is maintained (if you know how, maybe you can write a Sensei's Lib page about it :))

--Miron Brezuleanu.


No, the European Rating List does not depend on the Oteai. The only tournaments that are included for someone like Taranu are European tournaments and tournaments where he played as a 'representative of Europe'. More specifically, since his promotion to 4 dan (after which he was automatically put at 2790, after a promotion a professional player is put at the corresponding rating, for amateurs this happens only if they are promoted 2 or more grades at once), the following tournaments have been included:

  • European Fujitsu Finals 1999, score 2-1, rating went down from 2790 to 2784
  • Professional Ing Cup 2000, score 0-1, rating down to 2782
  • LG Baduk World Cup 2000, score 0-1, rating down to 2777
  • European Fujitsu Finals 2000, score 1-1, rating down to 2769

(above answer is by André not by me)

I wrote something here, which comes from private conversation but maybe is not intended for a public platform. So I withdrew. Those who read it, don't spread it. Those who didn't, no big deal, but I have my reasons to think that Guo may still be able to justify her 5p.

--Dieter Verhofstadt



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