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Non-Joseki Exercise 3 Attempts
   

Jan: Disclaimer: I don't know this joseki at all, and have not looked at the corresponding SL pages (or if I have, I don't remember them :)

[Diagram]
Diag.: Original problem: black to play

OK, I assume Black played his first move on the 5-4 point with the idea to get a position along the upper side. Just trying out some ideas below, to see what they look like...


[Diagram]
Diag.: First idea: too lax?

If the upper side is important, Black can play one. White will probably take 'a' (or 'b'??)

unkx80: I think Black 1 is way too weak. White 2 will play at a.


[Diagram]
Diag.: Second idea: fight!

unkx80: Of course this variation is favourable for Black. =) So it is unacceptable for White to allow Black to have a ponnuki with 3.


[Diagram]
Diag.: Second idea: fight!

Here Black is happy to get or attack the corner instead. I haven't looked at other options for white 2 yet.

unkx80: How about White 4 at a?



Alex Weldon: I like the first move of the second idea (atari at 1), but if White cuts at a, it gets complicated. What about Black using 3 to connect?

[Diagram]
Diag.: Alex's idea: fight!


To my 10k eyes, this looks much better for Black in the ensuing fight, especially if the ladder works. Alternately, Black can let the outside White stones live and take the corner.

[Diagram]
Diag.: Black wants the corner

Bill: Well, yes, but isn't this too easy on White? Look at the previous diagram, where B 5 extends. White is left with 3, count'em, 3 weak groups. White can hardly stand it.



As a variation on this, Black can take gote for more influence down the left side.

[Diagram]
Diag.: Gote for corner + influence

unkx80: Yes, I am expecting Alex Weldon's answer, short and sweet, easy to understand and easy to play. =)



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