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Comments on Ongoing Game 3. Note: ChessWhiz removed the board diagrams from this page. To view the game, open OngoingGame3 in a separate browser window. This way, the comments are less cluttered, and you can scroll the diagrams page and the comments page separately. Hey, dark players! It's your move! Note: Stevertigo reordered the comments to move from bot to top. Seemed to be easier. Add comment to top. Moves 20-11Stevertigo: W18 well. guess white should connect. AvatarDJFlux: B17: I'm playing two moves in a row, but I think there are not many choices... StevertigoW16: I'm wanting to keep sente - black will pinch, white connects, and black still has to fix or white will take the lone stone, destroying any territory there. white can then aim at an oba, like b. - invading blacks left moyo may seem premature, but considering the strength of the upper left shimari, this would be too much money in the bank for black. And a yosu miru might be a good idea before, like at xy or z beforehand.
AvatarDJFlux: B15: Mmmhh... Seems to me B13 is, to put it mildly, wrong as the direction of play is regarded... ;-) ChessWhiz: W14 - Seems B13 has already been played. I'll play W14 and pull White's fragile position back together. JamesA: OK, W12 seems a sensible response. However, wouldn't white rather have the more solid connection now than the tiger's mouth? Black has an annoying atari which white will have to think about. I'm not going to play B13 - I leave it to another black player to decide whether to play slowly and take the corner territory or whether to cut and fight. Personally, I'd play on top of W12 and fight, as B11 should be more useful in that situation. JoeSeki: I thought about c as well, I thought black would then peak at the other side of the tiger mouch and make white heavy. JamesA: I would play the normal joseki after white 'c' and hope that the aji left by the exchange of B11 and 'c' would benefit black. However, perhaps the exchange isn't good at all, which leaves 'b' instead of B11 to consider. I think I prefer 'b' now. JoeSeki's idea to peep at the tiger's mouth seems interesting - perhaps that would be a good way to deal with 'c'. SAS: Just out of interest, what were you intending to do if White had answered at c? JoeSeki: Black can get out along the left side, but then white gets a big Bottom side. Black can get out along the bottom, but then white gets big thickness in the middle. All good for white I think.
Anyway, one idea present in B11 is to try to make white's group vulnerable - it is on a vital point for the group. Also, I'm not sure black is in much danger of being sealed in at the bottom right - black can either connect out along the bottom (although I presume W12 will stop this) or with 'a' along the left side. I wait to see what your move W12 will be.... JamesA: Ouch! Strong criticism for B11! Of course I do not think that the tiger mouth is bad, but I do think B11 is playable and gives a more interesting game for black. Perhaps it would have been better at 'b'? Joeseki: W12 - I liked the tiger mouth connection. Although the left side is smaller than the top, you should not be looking at the size of things when you have a vulnerable group on the board, or one that can be sealed off from the rest of the game. i.e. there's a joseki going on in the lower left and it should be completed or there will be big consequences. White 12 should seal black into the corner, or black has to accept a lose here somehow. He's playing on the smaller left side instead of the top, he's letting white roll down the side and make the bottom bigger than the top. White should get good thickness facing the middle as well. Patience is called for here, and let the stones strength reveal themselves as the game progresses. JamesA: B11 - I'll wade in for black at this point. I don't like to play a peaceful game so let's make it interesting with B11. I think this is playable because White has made a tiger mouth which should make any attempt to shut off the lower side slightly less effective. Anyway, I don't feel able to let white play a beautiful point on the left side! Moves 10-1SAS: W10 - I prefer this to the solid connection because it threatens to extend further towards Black's shimari (albeit that this isn't the important side of the shimari). HolIgor: B9 - I've played 9 just to make things happen faster. I don't think that black has a better move somewhere. It is solid, creates a living group in the corner. The choice of the continuation belongs to white. This move was decided by the choice of B7. SAS: W6 - A kakari is the obvious move. I don't know if this is the best one. DJ: B5 - Let's play a quiet game... SAS: W4 - Forms a niren-sei. Black now has only 188 essentially different choices for his next move, compared to 357 after any other White move. Not that this has got much to do with anything, really. AvatarDJFlux: B3 - Recently I've grown fond of this kind of opposite komoku's. ChessWhiz: W2 - I've always liked opening on the hoshi. This is a copy of the living page "OG3 Comments" at Sensei's Library. (C) the Authors, published under the OpenContent License V1.0. |